The second Civil War has been fought, and, this time, the South has won! The utter ineptitude and tyrannical behavior of Northeast governors will have lasting impacts. Mass migration from NY, NJ, PA, CT and MA to states like South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, and, especially, Texas, will occur over the next decade. NYC will have a permanent population loss among those who pay taxes. Florida could easily surpass NY as the third most populous state. And, businesses, unlike post-9/11 where the moves were temporary, will vacate NYC (and the metro area) permanently. When the finance sector starts talking about relocating, it will be an earthquake. Rocket scientists like Cuomo, DeBlasio and Wolf will dismiss such talk. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
This time, it won't be Southern Blacks moving to the North; it will be Northern Whites and Blacks moving to the South.
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Oh please move south. NY, NJ residents of the valley you should definitely leave this terrible Valley and give Bernie a ride while you are leaving. The rest of us will attempt to struggle on without you. Go in Peace but pease go!
When people flee one dysfunctional, high tax state for another they create the same awful conditions in their new state. Ask the people from Florida, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, Texas, New Mexico, Connecticut. There is no question this happens!
The receiving state’s citizens end-up with higher taxes, higher fees, higher home purchase prices, higher rent payments, more expensive restaurant meals and drinks, more regulations, and various neighborhood disruptions. It’s a ‘no win’ for the receiving state.
So, why does the receiving state suffer?
Government needs more money to pay for new schools, roads, new utility lines, and more government workers. That money comes from YOU.
Wolf is destroying good people but listens to his health secretary
Unfortunately the people moving to these areas will bring their unrealistic demands and destroy the receiving state. These states have raised little piggies that don't realize they are the problem. Kind of like when I worked in social service field. Time after time I would have parents come in and say the reason their child got into trouble was influence by "bad" kids. I never could find out where that "bad" kid lived. I could have solved so many problems if I tracked that family down.
Well there are plenty of jobs at meat processing plants in other states.They will need to have folks move there as they are infecting the existing workers.
but hey little people die and business still wants a bigger handout.
One other thing, I suspect that many are questioning their commuting to New York and New Jersey. If you do a cost analysis, is the extra cost of commuting, gas,tolls, car maintenance and the loss of 3 hours a day of your life worth the extra pay that also means more taxes.
I do not see any business's rushing to the Lehigh valley except for its geographic position as a distribution center.
The window is closing on the economic future of the Northeast, unless there is a drastic reform of state fiscal policy. Many are locked into legacy costs of government unions and pension plans.
With the political wisdom at present, these states will more likely adopt the Detroit plan and continue their decline.
While wages are often less in the south, costs for both business and individuals are also less, Often resulting in a better economic situation for everyone.
5:42 AM
"Government needs more money to pay for new schools, roads, new utility lines, and more government workers. That money comes from YOU."
More than that. The people fleeing the poorly-run areas vote the same way they did in the disaster areas they left.
I know it's satire, but appropriate nonetheless...
https://babylonbee.com/news/texans-put-welcome-to-texas-signs-around-oklahoma-so-californians-will-move-there-instead
Good, let them leave and take their warehouse jobs with them. These jobs are not going to migrate to the south. That is utter nonsense. These companies know a good thing when they see it and the good thing is right here in the Lehigh Valley. Every State is going through what we are going through right now and when it is all over, every State will have the same tax problems that we have right now. We are still the center of economic growth and cheap warehouse distribution to about 100 million people. We are stuck with these New Yorkers and Jersyites. Nothing will change no matter how bad Wolf is. He isn't right in what he is doing, but no one will leave because of him.
The question becomes, how will the South keep them out?
The 2nd Civil War is only beginning, as did the first, with an invasion from North.
There is plenty o' Lincoln in those shutdown governors.
-Clem
Bernie
Agree with you about folks leaving.
"Nothing will change no matter how bad Wolf is."
May 15, 2020 at 6:52 AM
Bingo. See Failifornia. As their pension problem grows, as business flees, as poop and needles pile up on sidewalks and illegals murder innocents, they double down.
-Clem
Your reference to a second civil war is pure sensationalism. And you fail to realize that the the war is not over. Virus still exists. Time will tell which states faired better. Economies will be slow to recover regardless of when they opened up. Lifting of lockdowns Is not a magic bullet to economic recovery. The damage was done months ago with a poor initial response at all levels and lack of economic support for those affected. We are in for along slow recovery regardless if a state opens up In April or now or in September. This will not be a U. It will not be a V.
7:09 - Sorry, but warnings of violence are legitimate. No one wants to see it get to that point, but a several examples are already out there. Every ‘war’ begins with small skirmishes. There is no telling what people will do when they are hungry, scared, or in defense of their family.
Open your eyes, we are at that inflection point where people act out in harmful ways. Everyone handles desperation in their own way, not as we might suggest.
Those of us who operate businesses here know that PA is quite business unfriendly. It's a shame because I think the quality of the local workforce is far superior to anywhere in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. My executive group has begun investigating a move south. We'll likely leave a shell here, but cannot afford to operate under increased hardship from Harrisburg. I'm from here originally, moved around and came back. I hate the thought of leaving again, but know it's coming. We're not running away. We're being run out.
Re: comments about unrest, I don't see that. There will be a steady, quiet exodus and politicians will react as frogs in boiling water - unaware of the impending doom.
Great example, 8:05. I’ll add something more that might come into play. At the moment, Pennsylvania is one of a small number of states that does not tax IRAs, 401(k)s, Social Security, and other pensions. This has attracted many senior citizens to move here and remain here. These residents don’t bring children to stress our schools, leading to even more needed taxation.
Under Governor Wolf and his supporters, I can foresee a move to begin taxing pensions and the like. When that happens, I’ll join you in getting out of here!
7:09 - Sorry, but warnings of violence are legitimate. No one wants to see it get to that point, but a several examples are already out there. Every ‘war’ begins with small skirmishes. There is no telling what people will do when they are hungry, scared, or in defense of their family."
There is not the slightest suggestion of violence or sensationalism in my description of a mass exit of people and business as a second Civil War. The main draw for business here is our proximity to NYC and Philly. But as a result of the pandemic, those business and population centers are going to change. They are not going to migrate here, but to a less dense area that does not tax them so heavily. And so will we.
Every state is not going through what we are enduring. Every state has not forced its citizens into an onerous lockdown and then let them go without benefits. Every state dows not have the high taxes we have in NYC and NJ. People and business are going to migrate to states that do not fuck with them the way PA, NJ and PA has. Those states are in the South and places like Colorado.
The only thing that might keep some business here was pointed out by a reader at 8:05. We have an excellent workforce and great schools.
Speculation about the macro effects of this is premature. The size and the demographic targets of potential following waves of COVID-19 will be a much more important factor in population dynamics than the actions to date of northern governors. I have no idea how mild or severe the follow up waves will be, but some form of them will happen as we open up. If they are severe, both regional private economies and the state and local governments depending on those economies may financially collapse throughout the nation. Florida for example with its large number of elderly residents and high economic dependence on tourism, leisure and vacation populations will be no place to be. What will actually happen? It is far to early to say.
Bernie, your correlation with a ‘civil war’ was appropriate. Didn’t make me think of a shooting war, just a situation where some states ‘break off” from others because their citizens no longer agree about things.
Few people realize, there is already a strong effort underway by citizens to split-up the State of California. Those living outside the big metro areas want to form a brand new state. It’s a legitimate undertaking with quite a bit already having been written.
My concern is for those who feel no way out of their living situation. Millions of Americans are in that situation, particularly the poor.
At least the child psychiatrist is meeting with the St Lukes and LVHN infectious disease specialists. Maybe they can talk some senses into her.
Florida is in pretty good shape. The thought of decisions being made by those who have no idea if there will be a second wave, let alone how severe, is disturbing. Georgia opened up and was excoriated by those hoping for a renewed outbreak. It didn't happen and they're reporting the lowest new daily case totals since March - even amid exponentially more testing. It's not too soon to understand the macro effects. 33 million are out of work. We've added 2 trillion to our debt and are ready to add another 3 trillion. The economy has shrunk by 5%. Early detection cancer screenings all but stopped for two months. It's easy to understand this will lead to deaths. Same thing with those who suspended chem and radiation and other therapies. I've read estimates of 75,000 suicides resulting from economic and personal hardship. Half of all restaurants won't reopen. Air carriers have been destroyed. Productivity is in the toilet and will remain there, due to workforce reduction requirements issued by politicians who've never seen a balance sheet or met a weekly payroll. It's not too soon to understand that things far worse than this virus are yet to come.
@8:05 I talked to a business owner the other day, has about 30 employees. lIved in PA his entire life, he's considering a move as well. This makes me so mad because the people of PA have a work ethic second to none!
8:48 am - The Cali secession movement was started by CALEXIT, they did not want to be part of a country led by President Trump. Would have been a bad move on their part, but it is their right and should have been encouraged.
Efforts by conservative areas to partition will never succeed without violence because under Article IV, section 3, Cali would have to grant permission. That would never happen, too much feed for the trough would be lost.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiv
-Clem
"Good, let them leave and take their warehouse jobs with them."
We're not all warehouses. Mine is a production company with 34 skilled employees, having doubled in size in '19. As you correctly stated, the warehouse monsters aren't going anywhere with their forklift driver jobs. Companies like mine don't have those resources. South Carolina, Georgia and Texas have state economic development offices that are very aggressive and have a lot to offer.
For decades businesses have move south to save money. However, they return to the area because of lack of skilled workers and in the south. You can't beat the Valley for skilled conscientious workers
1-21-2021 Will be here before anyone moves anywhere.
Although there are many reasons to leave Pennsylvania anyone who leaves because of this election virus hoax probably has closets full of toilet paper.
It's just a sheep in Wolf's cloths no need to run.
From CBS News:
A New York barber who defied stay-at-home orders and continued to "illicitly" cut hair has tested positive for coronavirus, county officials said in a public health notice this week. Ulster County officials are now recommending anyone who received a haircut from the barber in the past three weeks should seek a coronavirus test.
Never known a Don who isn't/wasn't a mental trainwreck.
Skilled Workers= If Ya Ain't Dutch Ya Ain't Much. Common Knowledge
Over 300,000 people have died, almost a third from the US alone! There are still too many unknowns for it to be safe to ease social distancing measures at this point. Maybe if citizens could be trusted to actually abide by the directives of the health officials and scientific community it would be a different story. But these fools are out here not wearing masks, going to bars, getting haircuts, storming state capitals with automatic weapons...
What needs to happen is that the Republicans need to get back to the Senate and pass another stimulus bill that puts money in the hands of people, not corporations and big business. Mortgage payments, and in turn rent, should be furloughed for at least 3 months and the payments added to the back of the loan if need be. We need to demand that our government provide economic relief in the form of aid rather than opening things up too soon and losing tens of thousands more lives.
Reads like Karen here has a gummint job and no worries.
States that have reopened are still seeing just a fraction of their pre-virus output from small businesses. Many didn't survive. Many aren't comfortable reopening yet. Many have re-opened with distancing measures that limit output. Somewhere between "it's just the flu" and "we need to be bubble-wrapped until there's a vaccine" is a middle ground where adults can make decisions regarding their own safety and we can get back to work.
1.04 If we re to not pay mortgage and rent, then I guess we can skip taxes too, especially property taxes.
But, the Tax Collector never closes. Without him, politicians are nothing. Watch what happens beginning next year due to this economic damage. No one will escape that bite. Not Democrats, not Republicans, not anyone who purchases something in this state.
If anyone knows how to escape going down that drain, please explain.
1:04 PM
Or Pelosi's House could stop playing games with their "stimulus" plan.
“At this point there’s still negotiations just within the Democratic Party on what should be in this bill. Last week we were posed with the question: Should we go big?” Rep. Kim Schrier (D-Wash.) said in an interview. “The general consensus was ‘go big’ and put in what we believe in and then the pressure is on Republicans to explain why they’re not supporting [our proposals].”
It appears what they "believe in" includes mandatory early voting and funds for "vote by mail", tax breaks for prosperous "blue state" home owners with large mortgages and high property taxes because of the value of their homes, money for hate crime enforcement, and other kitchen sink items. If they truly want to help people hurt by the coronavirus, maybe they ought to shoot for a more targeted bill, rather than one that funds what they "believe in."
Even Dems have some problems with it.
"Privately, several House Democrats concede their latest bill feels like little more than an effort to appease the most liberal members of the caucus, many of whom were chafed that their most important priorities were minimized or ignored entirely in previous coronavirus negotiations."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/11/senate-relief-coronavirus-249428
Anonymous said...
From CBS News:
A New York barber who defied stay-at-home orders and continued to "illicitly" cut hair has tested positive for coronavirus, county officials said in a public health notice this week. Ulster County officials are now recommending anyone who received a haircut from the barber in the past three weeks should seek a coronavirus test.
May 15, 2020 at 12:31 PM
So what? Someone gave haircuts to some people that wanted one. Some of them were probably smokers, over weight, don't wear condoms, and drink too much too.
The haircut was the test, lets see what happens, my guess is if everyone recovers that will be the end of the story, and if someone dies it will be looped on the news for weeks until bumped by close-ups of Murder Hornets or alike.
Stay home if you want, where a mask if you want, don't work if you don't want to it's up to you.
I'll be going to businesses without a mask wearing my Biden 2020 t-shirt, and when required, the mask goes on with the MAGA hat.
1:28 - All good points.
If we reopen too soon it will hurt small businesses more than anything. Most people are afraid to dine in restaurants or shop in stores at the moment and they won't return to business as usual. And many people have lost income or will be reluctant to spend based on uncertainties. What happens when a restaurant can only open at 50% capacity but the landlord still wants 100% of the rent? Forcing them to open renders them ineligible for any relief from their creditors. Not to mention the perishables...operating expenses will increase because buying in bulk may be unrealistic. Opening to an empty restaurants is worse than staying closed. The only businesses that will survive will be the big box stores and chains that have the capital to ride out the storm.
People won't go out and spend money if they don't feel safe. We need more testing and tracing and we need it now.
For 2:51, how exactly does more testing and contact tracing guarantee we are safe? That contact tracing has been said to mean a scenario like this.
Five diners sit down together for a meal. Before being served, all 5 diners provide their name and address, phone number, etc. As it turns out, one of the diners is found to have Covid-19 (even though there are not always visible symptoms). Now then, the other 4 diners are contacted to come in and be tested. Or, maybe, they will just be ordered to remain inside their home for 14 days. If not obeying, are the police called to round-up the violator?
I will not patronize any restaurant who insists on such an unworkable plan. One that would only create unnecessary difficulty for me. Why bother?
This edict is empowering all sorts of crazies, a scold got right up in my face and yelled at me for not having a mask on then got right in the face an employee's and snitched. The employee reminded her that she violated social distancing rules and she pouted saying "I hope you get the virus".
I circled back and slipped the employee a twenty it felt so good I did the same at the register. Next time the employee wiping of the carts gets a twenty. I think I found the cure.
Good move, 3:34! One brainless zombie frustrated. Two hardworking employees get a most welcome treat. I did something similar at a local business.
The only way we get this under control is by testing and contact tracing. This is not a new idea, it's a proven epidemiological methodology and it was effective in slowing the spread in Seattle and various other countries.
China requires restaurant patrons to provide their contact information. That's not how it has been or would be implemented in the US. If someone tested positive, a contact tracer would interview them about their contacts for the last 14 days or so. Those CLOSE contacts (within 6 feet without a mask) would be notified that they've been in contact with someone who tested positive and would be asked to self-quarantine for 14 days from the time of contact. Most reasonable people would do so, rather than put their family and friends in jeopardy.
AND, new jobs are being created. If anyone is interested, John Hopkins University is offering a free contact tracing online course.
The mystery & strategy of Q.
Quarantine
"The only way we get this under control is by testing and contact tracing. This is not a new idea, it's a proven epidemiological methodology and it was effective in slowing the spread in Seattle and various other countries."
I have advocated this approach from the beginning. It is far more effective than a lockdown and is less damaging to the economy. The lockdown was a terrible mistake.
Sounds a little better, 3:45. We will have persons with the virus who will refuse providing the info, lie, or prefer to contact others who were nearby privately. Being on another new government database, one that marks you as a potential health risk to others is not appealing to me. I just won’t dine out with others.
With the way states have been shown to go rogue now, I wouldn’t discount further abuses to what you describe. Certainly not here in Pennsylvania. No thanks!
Reaction to lifting lockdowns - aside from this blog - is predictably along party lines. Georgia's R governor was accused of committing human sacrifice, while Colorado's D governor was given high marks for his sound approach. It's not about health and safety, if it ever really was, and the lockdown was a disasterous decision.
"It is far more effective than a lockdown and is less damaging to the economy. "
Agreed. However, my view of the lockdown was that it was intended to buy us time so that we could get these common sense measures in place. It's now turned into a months long ordeal and I'm not sure we're any better prepared! This has been a failure in leadership on multiple levels.
5:04, I will address your points when you (1) provide a link to factual claims; and (2) refrain from being personally insulting.
4:09, We agree. The federal and state response has been pathetic. I do think local governments have stepped up.
Bernie , I want to inform you and your readers. The U.S.Army will be next distributor of a “vaccine “ after it appears ,and is approved.The gear that goes with inoculation will also follow on that supply train at same time . This will filter down the Army ReserveUnits and states National Guard . The system is being set up now and when a vaccine appears ,the U.S.Army will do it .
I'm guessing you could just stay at home for that
Anonymous said...
This edict is empowering all sorts of crazies, a scold got right up in my face and yelled at me for not having a mask on then got right in the face an employee's and snitched. The employee reminded her that she violated social distancing rules and she pouted saying "I hope you get the virus".
I circled back and slipped the employee a twenty it felt so good I did the same at the register. Next time the employee wiping of the carts gets a twenty. I think I found the cure.
May 15, 2020 at 3:34 PM
Whatever else can be said, that makes you a lout. Now you know why most of us do not trust "the public.
5.30
try
https://people.com/human-interest/nc-protest-organizer-misses-rally-tests-positive-coronavirus
"“I have been told not to participate in public or private accommodations as requested by the government, and therefore denied my 1st amendment right of freedom of religion,” she continued. “If I were an essential employee, I would be denied access to my job by my employer and the government, though compensated, those with other communicable diseases are afforded the right to work.”
And
"“It has been insinuated by others that if I go out, I could be arrested for denying a quarantine order,” she went on. “However, the Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits discrimination by employers, places of public accommodation, and state and local government entities. . Where do we draw the line?”
and
BRW she only was told to quarantine after bragging about continuing nc open protests with a positive result.
So what happens with people who have that mindset
If you feel there was a personal insult i do not know where it was?
but apology offered.
another
https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-fan-who-recorded-herself-refusing-to-wear-mask-at-trader-joes-now-has-symptoms/
"“I don’t want to breathe my own CO2. There’s many researchers,” she insisted. “They’re bogus rules… It’s ridiculous. There’s so much research that says we actually are in danger of having this mask, of breathing my own CO2. Do you understand that?”
Yep folks like that can be veryt dangerous.
try
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/05/14/ducey-posts-photos-twitter-legislators-phoenix-restaurant-no-masks-were-seen/5195889002/
"The get together was a show of support for the restaurant industry as eateries reopened dine-in service this week as the governor pulled back state restrictions in place because of the COVID-19 pandemic.
None of the politicians were wearing masks in the pictures. Restaurant staff appeared to be wearing masks."
This crisis should have been a golden opportunity for the Lehigh Valley to reclaim our historic status as a regional power, rather than just being a lower rent kid cousin of NYC/Philadelphia.
For this to happen would have required authorities with vision and big balls, which sadly the political/business class is lacking. After escaping the 1990s by the skin of our neck the politicians of LV have been playing the game on easy mode for the last 10 years. Which has allowed weak people to hold power.
Don Cunningham seems like a competent guy, and I hope he is right. He definitely knows more than me or our host when it comes to the business climate of the region. But I doubt it will come to pass because we are still a deep red zone.
As much as I don't like it, the heavy presence of Amazon in the Lehigh Valley could be a way out for us. Amazon is a highly effective and competent organization and Amazon will secure its own interests. Our politicians should be getting very familiar with Amazon's plans and methods for protecting their supply chains, perhaps we could get into a public-private partnership at disease prevention/mitigation.
8:08 PM
"“I don’t want to breathe my own CO2. There’s many researchers,” she insisted. “They’re bogus rules… It’s ridiculous. There’s so much research that says we actually are in danger of having this mask, of breathing my own CO2. Do you understand that?”
That's almost as silly as believing wearing a non-medical grade mask protects the wearer, which your schadenfreude seems to imply you believe.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/dont-wear-mask-yourself/610336/
Why are we in the red zone when 70% of our deaths were in nursing homes??
Nursing home data needs to be separated as nursing home residents aren’t in the general business economy that has been mandated into a coma by our left wing governor.
10.37
" which your schadenfreude seems to imply you believe."
not at all.
people not wearing masks are dangerous to others.
from your article---"For example, in Hong Kong, only four confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 have been recorded since the beginning of the pandemic, despite high density, mass transportation, and proximity to Wuhan. Hong Kong’s health authorities credit their citizens’ near-universal mask-wearing as a key factor "
so relying on the public to follow proper protocols is a risky tactic.
hence the shutdown.
10.45
you forgot the do nothing republican legislature who can overrule the Gov at anytime.
The PA supremes stated as such in the first court case they heard.
guess they lacked the fortitude to act.
Clem Kadiddlehopper?
Civil War, a vacant PA, an empty LV. You Trumpkins are having a hell of a good time on Bernie's, lets bitch about everting, tell all. Companies relocate for to many reasons. Your anger and internet science are not at the top of the list. The NE US population zone will not change over this.
I do agree many of you should head south as you are well suited for the "science
am history of the south.
A civil War? Ask the ghost of RE Lee how that went. Never gong to happen.
One day the gyms will open and BO can do title searches for free "instead of paying and all this will be behind us. Your me only and screw you attitude will be a blackmark on the nation's psyche.
Hopefully ya'll will be relocated in Georgia by then.
Welcome to the new world of Democrats. Not the Democrats of old. These are the "we know better", every one gets a trophy and excellence is frowned on because no one can lose. Beware of the rich social engineers like Bill Gates who would like to plan you life from cradle to grave. We have it on a lesser scale in Pennsylvania in Governor Wolf.
"so relying on the public to follow proper protocols is a risky tactic.
hence the shutdown."
Ah, so that was your point. Thanks for clarifying, since it was among a string of other comments celebrating people getting sick themselves.
You do know that even in PA people without masks can't be forced to where them?
"Individuals who cannot wear a mask due to a medical condition, including children the age of two years, can enter the premises without providing medical documentation, according to a press release announcing the order."
https://www.post-gazette.com/business/career-workplace/2020/04/15/face-masks-order-pennsylvania-dept-of-health-dr-rachel-levine-coronavirus-covid-19/stories/202004150131
The really silly thing seems to be that she's treating something that may very well be a bacterial infection (sore throat and swollen lymph nodes as a first symptom of CV-19 is pretty rare) with "natural" remedies.
Maybe we ought to ban those "for our own good" too.
A predicament like the one we find ourselves now has been building for several years. Too many have not held their politicians to accountability for their performance. In some cases, your local politician is the only one being served, not you!
Becoming and elected politician now means he/she spends most of the time working to remain in office. So, it’s providing “gift” legislation to large campaign donors (ex. Pat Browne) making statements that don’t really mean anything, voting as they are told by senior politicians who hold power over their working conditions (ex. Susan Wild) hiding from the public, only answering pre-screened questions (ex. Governor Wolf) becoming active only near election time (ex. Lisa Boscola, Pat Toomey, Bob Casey).
For too many politicians, it’s really not about getting anything done on behalf of you, the constituent, it’s about remaining in office long enough to qualify for the pension that comes with that office. If they can work in a few side benefits for their own family members, all the better!
Folks, if you’ve had enough, there is one way to rebuild . . . . send them all packing by not voting for any INCUMBENT. We need to cull the herd in both political parties (Democrat and Republican).
Waiting for a Covid-19 vaccine before opening back up is absurd. We still don’t have a vaccine for SARS or MERS after 17 years! Remember, also, our annual Flu shots are only an estimated guess as to what Flu strain is most likely to hit. Generally, Flu shots have been shown to be just 60-70% effective.
As for individual Covid-19 testing now, the same problem exists. These tests are not foolproof. There are both False Positive and False Negative results. Which result will you get?
Wish I didn’t have to ask, but would you trust Pennsylvania government to report accurate results? I won’t, with the clowns we having this show now.
Wolf 1-he is hurting way more people than he is helping 2-wolf keeps putting back the objective 3-he does not know what he is doing leaves big companies open and close small companies 4-wolf is an egotist who does not care about you 5wolf want a big job in the democratic party when this is over 5--wolf must be impeached bfor the good of the people in pa.
7.28
"Individuals who cannot wear a mask due to a medical condition"
yep that makes sense however that lady wanted to film herself showing libs she can do what she wants and she plays the martyr.
Hopefully she will be fine and someone she trusts explains to her how stupid an activity that was.
in that risking your health to get you tube hits is unwise.
Isn't t great that we have a "President" who simply has given up on doing anything meaningful about the virus? His ultimate was his recent statement that tests are "overrated" because they bring up the numbers of identified cases.
Yes, by all means: better not to know how much of the virus is out there. Let's just drive in the dark with our lights out. Hey, want to drive by the cliffs?
The Lehigh Valley is trumpster snowflakes. It's already unattractive and smelly. Pee-Uuu
Anonymous said...
So is this the forest or the trees?
"so relying on the public to follow proper protocols is a risky tactic.
hence the shutdown."
May 16, 2020 at 11:03 AM
Oh, that's the forest. We have increasing evidence that many people just don't believe the virus is dangerous and act accordingly. Unfortunately, it takes only a few.
We always had the nut jobs on blogs like this. Now we can just watch it on the telly.
Don't worry, Virus Deadenders, the enforcement is not going to be so good that you can't get out there and be breathed upon by your fellow citizens. Certainly there are some businesses that are working hard to be safe, but clearly there are plenty who don't care and more and more will be opposing up as we go. (Until the infection rates go high enough, perhaps.)
Indeed. Our "President" is the poster child for the Breathe on Me crowd. What could possibly go wrong?
Cases in PA: 61,611. Deaths: 4,403.
1:16 - the number of cases has very little to do with the extent of the problem. A better indicator is the number of new hospitalizations.
A few days ago, our 2 local infectious disease experts stated back in March at the beginning of all of this, the LV was admitting 175 per day due to this virus. Today, now down to about 35 per day.
Why? They have learned the majority of cases suspected in people can be dealt with successfully just by remaining home, resting, and giving the body’s own immune system to combat the invader.
Then, as previously shown true, the number of deaths attributed to this virus is being dramatically increased by listing POSSIBLE connections to the virus as the reason for death.
I think you know the numbers we read in the media are not very accurate, but the truth wouldn’t fit your narrative so you continue on.
Fellow Pennsylvanians, America is laughing at us for tolerating further destruction of our economic futures by our incompetent, possibly sinister, elected politicians.
Great News!
PA Rep. Daryl Metcalfe of Butler County has presented a motion to impeach Gov. Wolf. Here’s what’s needed.
Despite the likelihood of this making it all the way through, it is essential to have everyone vote and get their name squarely on the side of either Wolf, or the working citizens of Pennsylvania.
Such a vote should be almost unanimous. Wolf is dragging down the reputation of his political party. He is putting everyone in jeopardy of being re-elected next time they’re up.
It’s as simple as this!
Went to lowes today it was packed-but wolf keeps the small businesses closed--what an asshole wolf is.
Wolf will get some serious pushback when every Representative and Senator under the age of 50 finally realize Wolf is a threat to continuing on with their own career. His poor performance, seriously damaging to so many Pennsylvanians, makes him a blight on all politicians, regardless of party.
Re-election is of no concern to Gov. Wolf. But, many others in state government will come to understand Wolf is pretty much useless to them at this point. Why hang in with a guy for 2 more years if his failures now jeopardize your own tenure going forward?
Mr. & Mrs. State Politician, it’s time to take-out the garbage. The smell is on you, too.
Corporate income tax in California is over 8% , Watch what Elan Musk does , move Tesla.,and his talent to a no personal income tax state. People “vote with their feet” .NJ. And NY. tax refugees could have held off if our “leaders” would have put the “costs “on the developers . Schools , infrastructure, public safety. This would slow down issues for the people that have been here for 50 years . Northampton County once had a very reasonable automobile insurance costs ,no more. .we have almost a N.J. rate . School taxes out of hand? $500.00. a month not unusual now and no control on spending by them ,nobody to put the breaks on. Retired people on fixed incomes ,helpless to stay solvent. It’s not what ya make ,it’s what ya keep. Vote out all of them ,both parties,everybody. ,gone.
Wolf must be impeached--if we impeached trump--this guy is 100 times worse
As a retired person I am only minimally affected by the lockdown. It is unfair to be critical of persons whose businesses are being disproportionally punished by the extent of the lockdown and with this consideration I am writing. By the end of the first week of June it is anticipated that more Americans will die of the virus than in all the wars after WWII. There are 30 listed as wars even though some include a handful of casualties. All deaths [combat and other] in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Gulf plus the other conflicts come to about 107,000. Total deaths in WWI are 116,500 which are anticipated to be reached by the end of the second week in June. Sacrifice should be viewed in these terms as well. Responsible scientific projections without lockdown anticipated 500.000 deaths by September.
The politicians in pa are gutless--they will do nothing just like school tax issue--gutless
As said before, every Pennsylvania incumbent state politician must be voted out. They all have a hand in this mess. I will only be casting my vote for someone new.
A message needs to be sent. You don’t get elected to your office to hide and spend your energy strengthening your career at the expense of your neighbors back home. Keep your fundraising letters and newsletter excuses. We’ve had enough bullshit.
I love the people that come on here with the war death comparisons LOL. 70% of deaths due to this virus are in nursing homes. People dying in hospice care of other things, but just happen to be COVID positive, count as a Covid death. The Illinois Secretary of health admitted it on air. 600K people die of cancer in this country every year, why no war death comparisons for cancer? If you're old and or have pre existing conditions stay home stay/safe. Others take precautions when you're out. Perhaps if this country didn't have a 35% obesity rate the death rate would be lower. It's all about personal responsibility. Since when are these Governors kings, there are 3 branches of government! Emergency orders were designed for very short term emergencies, not weeks and weeks of forced quarantine! Nobody is saying open up the entire economy, but it's time to allow some of these small businesses to open, probably safer to go there than Walmart anyhow.
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