Monday, October 14, 2019

"Blood on Trump's Hands"

Those are the words used by retired four-star Marine general John Allen in reaction to Donald "the Joker" Trump's betrayal of Syrian Kurds. Since Turkey has begun its offensive (laughingly called Peace Spring) against Kurdish fighters in Northeast Syria, the fake news reports the following:

77 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Kurds may turn to Assad and Russia for protection because the US (Trump) abandoned them to be slaughtered. Who can blame them? Erdogan is using militants to kill civilians and prisoners. He is also moving well beyond the 18 mile corridor he falsely claimed he wanted.
Trump is a fool who is making enemies out of former friends and has caused every one of our allies to rethink the trust they have in us.

Anonymous said...

The deal with Syria for military assistance has been set. Syrian troops are being deployed, at a far greater number than we took out of the region. The Kurds have already found replacement support.

Russia provides military support to BOTH Turkey and Syria. This now becomes Russia’s problem to sort out, not ours.

Other NATO countries in Europe want America to defeat Turkish expansion. They won’t even defend themselves. Yet, they refuse to pay the amount they promised to NATO for protection! Those nations will need to get more involved instead of using our military. Let the nations of the Middle East and nearby European nations sort this all out.

Anonymous said...

President Trump is ending our endless wars. He is an American Savior and will be overwhelmingly re-elected.

Anonymous said...

Trump will go down in history as the worst President. A failed President on domestic and foreign blunders. Lock him up!

Anonymous said...

Endless wars send your grandson AND all the politicians that want to fight in the middle east in the wars that will go on forever IF WE ARE ATYTACK WE FIGHT BUT WHY DON"T YOU AND YOUR WARRRRRRRRIOR FRIENDS FIGHT ANDDIE BFOR THE KURDS>

Anonymous said...

Defense Secretary, Mark Esper sums it all up clearly when he said "We didn't sign-up to fight the Turks."

I would ask, what were our troops supposed to do? Should we have stayed in Syria until the Kurds defeat the Turks? That would be ridiculous because it would never happen. Turkey has a massive power advantage over the tiny Kurdish rebels. By the way, the Kurds just got stronger as Syria has agreed to join in on their behalf.

Do those objecting to this decision really want America having deadly skirmishes against the Turks for the next 30-40 years? I don't.

Anonymous said...

You know, this is getting absurd. Trump is abandoning our allies and abusing the power of US diplomatic and military assets to further his political campaign and property deals. I've seen a bunch of rumblings about a new scandal that's about to break. Apparently his team pressured a US naval intelligence officer into spying on one of his rivals in a property deal in Malta. Just google "The USS Liberty Incident".

Drumpf is done.

Anonymous said...

628
Your mommie forgot to check your spelling homework again.

Anonymous said...

Say what? A 1967 naval incident under the control of a Democrat White House? Need to hear more about this.

Anonymous said...

Why is America supposed to save the world? Exit the United Nations. Force NATO allies to pay their share, get out of endless, thousand year wars.
What have the democrats offered for the working people? More taxes to pay for those that don't work. How about a job in the military? Oh, that's for some one else to do!
Trump 2020

Bernie O'Hare said...

Trump should have consulted with someone he hasn't fired instead of impulsively jumping on twitter right after a call from a fellow strongman. And if he really believed in stopping endless wars, he would never agree, as he just did, to send 1,800 troops to Saudi Arabia. He is a liar.

What's most disgusting about his decision is that our allies now have no reason to trust us. With one tweet, his criminal incompetence has jeopardized our own national security.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"I would ask, what were our troops supposed to do? Should we have stayed in Syria until the Kurds defeat the Turks?"

Yes, we should have stayed there. The American flag alone would have prevented the Turks from attacking. In the meantime, a plan was in place to resolve Turkey's security concerns with joint patrols.

Anonymous said...

Despite this decision, Bernie, we still need forward airbases and staging grounds in the Mideast. Maybe that's the Saudi role?

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Russia provides military support to BOTH Turkey and Syria. This now becomes Russia’s problem to sort out, not ours."

In other words, in addition to betraying an ally, Trump has tipped the balance of power in that region toward his pal, Putin.

Talk about treason.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Despite this decision, Bernie, we still need forward airbases and staging grounds in the Mideast. Maybe that's the Saudi role?"

It is completely inconsistent with what your savior has said he wants to do. If he are isolationist, we need no forward airbases. We have Israel and can rely on our carriers. Trump is a hypocrite and you are a fool who attempts to justify every lie he utters.

Anonymous said...

All you ignorant, impotent, scared, racist Trumpsters got what you wanted. A mirror of your own deepest, darkest selves. Your children and grandchildren will pay your bill with their blood. Hope you are satisfied you short-sighted morons.

Anonymous said...

It's only 8:30am and not one Dumpy trumpy post spouting about Benghazi. Give it time. His dumb followers will justify his murdering and blame Hillary.

Anonymous said...

Who started it all with the "LINE IN THE SAND" AND DID NOTHING

Anonymous said...

PRESIDENT TRUMP is saving American lives he did not forget Viet Nam what a lost cauise --they settled their own problems and are in very good shape now --THE middle east fighting for hundreds of years we will not settle this Trump knows this. IF we are attached then we should totally destroy our enemy WE surely have the weapons seal up our borders I know your radical left anti America people will go wild--answer send them to the middle east.

Dennis P said...

Indeed the situation in the Middle East is very muddled. Being we have seen so many twists and turns and new intervention into the struggle at various times … That reminds me of the 30 year War with its various Phases and Interventions and strange alliances....The Thirty Years' War was a war fought primarily in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. One of the most destructive conflicts in human history, it resulted in eight million fatalities not only from military engagements but also from violence, famine, and plague. Casualties were overwhelmingly and disproportionately inhabitants of the Holy Roman Empire, most of the rest being battle deaths from various foreign armies. The deadly clashes ravaged Europe; 20 percent of the total population of Germany died during the conflict and there were losses up to 50 percent in a corridor between Pomerania and the Black Forest. In terms of proportional German casualties and destruction, it was surpassed only by the period of January to May 1945 during World War II; one of its enduring results was 19th-century Pan-Germanism, when it served as an example of the dangers of a divided Germany and became a key justification for the 1871 creation of the German Empire.

Given that Cardinal Richelieu of France was a key figure in the twists and turns of the 30 year War, what would he do in this situation we face with the endless wars in the Middle East including Syria? And What would former U.S. President Gerald Ford do in this situation? Ford if your remember had to deal with American pull-out from Vietnam after Nixon's so-called agreements with North Vietnam to end our active involvement in that war … Indeed there we bombed North Vietnam to the peace table and made an agreement that allowed North Vietnam to rebuild but Congress failed to supply the money to keep the South Vietnamese armed should North Vietnam and their Allies in Vietnam resume attack … In Vietnam the American Army in battle made it possible for us to declare victory but actions of our politicos caused us to suffer the embarrassment of our abandonment of our embassy and bringing a lot of the Vietnamese who helped us home with us … I suspect that Trump will not do this for the Kurds that did help us in the battle … But I am reminded that Glenn Beck maintains that these Kurds are not really pro-democracy like the Kurds in Iraq … But interesting these guys and gals enlisted by the Obama administration to help that Administration in the battle were anti-Assad now with Trump's pull-out and the Turkey invasion they turned to the same regime they opposed and battle before American entered the fray.

As I said in the beginning, indeed the situation in the Middle East is very muddled. Being we have seen so many twists and turns and new intervention into the struggle at various times

Bernie O'Hare said...

"-THE middle east fighting for hundreds of years we will not settle this Trump knows this."

If he does, then why send troops to Saudi Arabia, as he just did? Your explanation is complete horseshit and demonstrates nothing more than blind devotion to a reality tv show star.

Anonymous said...

A total nightmare.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, Trump again tries to oversimplify the issue at hand. This puts the issue into a pill form easily digestible by his supporters though! Alas, I fear this pill is only a slow release suppository.

Anonymous said...

I would ask, what were our troops supposed to do?

Simple. What we've been doing for the last 80 years: "Turkey, if you're listening, you fuck with the Kurds, you fuck with us." End of story.

But no, chickenshit Trump totally capitulated to Erdogan like a bitch.

Anonymous said...

"If he does, then why send troops to Saudi Arabia, as he just did? "

Because Saudi Arabia is of strategic importance to the US and the Global Economy as an oil producer.

I agree with you though, i wish he would cut off all aid (financial/military) to all of these middle east regimes.

Anonymous said...

I thought Drumpf said we are energy independent, 9:17?

Anonymous said...

I love how Dennis P tries to make Trump foreign policy anything less than a monkey flinging feces. Trump has no idea what he's doing and gets operated by every other leader in the world.

Anonymous said...

@9.21 We are. You can thank Obama for starting this and Trump for continuing the expansion of US Oil Production.

However, the rest of the economy is not and if there is a drop in worldwide oil production, it affects the economies of other countries which will affect us.

Like i said though, i think we should pull completely out of the mid east

Anonymous said...

So we're fighting FOR the Kingdom so other countries can buy their oil so that we can trade with this countries? Makes sense.

Anonymous said...

And i agree with you, hence the reason i have stated twice we should not even be there. I do not think Trump was wrong for pulling out of Syria, but he was wrong for sending troops to Saudi Arabia.

Time for somebody else to be world cop for the globalists.

Anonymous said...

Pulling out of Syria is not the issue. Giving Erdogan the green light to eradicate the Kurds is the problem.

(Newsflash: There is no one else in the world with the power to protect human rights.)

Anonymous said...

Newsflash, 9:59 - The Kurds are welcome to retreat back, further into Syria under Syria's protection. The entire situation over there is now too muddled for anyone to figure out. There all all kinds of Kurdish tribes, good and bad. Do you know which groups are which?

Anonymous said...

And the Ukrainians are welcome to fall back from eastern Ukraine and let Russia have it.

Anonymous said...

Congress has the power to declare war, why dont they just declare war on Turkey? They better re institute the draft at the same time. No deferments this time.

Anonymous said...

So, lets put out the call for a volunteer army to go fight for a Kurdish homeland, I will volunteer an ammo contribution, the rest of you should volunteer your selves, sons, daughters and grandchildren.

Anonymous said...

They would not have had to if Trump didn't fuck up yet again. But like always, the Democratic administration will have to clean up the mess.

Anonymous said...

So, lets put out the call for a volunteer army to go fight for a Kurdish homeland, I will volunteer an ammo contribution, the rest of you should volunteer your selves, sons, daughters and grandchildren.

The Kurds were doing fine on their own until Trump stabbed them in the back. Like BOH said, just the presence of the USA flag would have been enough. Trump green lighted Erdogan. Don't try and spin this any other way.

Anonymous said...

When did the Dems become so hawkish? Probably because Trump is for de-escalating the constant wars. If this was a democratic president, i am sure everybody would be for this. Dems want to cut military spending, this is how you do it, by ending the constant occupation of foreign countries.

And spare me the human rights analogy. That whole area is ungovernable. Do women have equal rights now? Are Gays treated as 1st class citizens and not ostracized? All we do is pour blood and money down the drain there and we are a band-aid on a gunshot wound. Let the EU step in and protect the human rights.

Maybe its because i am getting older and i see my son getting older, i just do not see the worth of nation building anymore when we should be nation building right here.

Why are we building roads and schools there when we can be subsidizing our own here?

Trumps foreign policy is a mess because as Bernie points out, he downsizes in one area and then builds up in another. He is right on syria and wrong on saudi arabia

Huck Weaver said...

Hard to believe anyone would want an armed confrontation with Turkey

Anonymous said...

The pacifist Trump fans are rich.

On one hand, they praise Trump for pulling a small number of troops from Syria (which isn't the issue) but then green lighting Erdogan. On the other, they are all for Trump sending 2000 troops to fight for the Kingdom.

Good times. They are so confused.

Anonymous said...

Israel is our allies and officially annex 40 miles of the south western border of Syria.
Turkey is our allies and will take 40 miles of the northern border of Syria.
Kurds are our allies and are required like Israel and Turkey to take and make a Kurdistan from seriously weaken greater Syria.


The whole reason the kurds are filling the news cycle at this time is to provide a smoke screen to our invasion of Saudi Arabia.

Troops are not being brought home they redeployed to Saudi Arabia.

Has anyone heard even a peep about the Saudi deployment?

Kurds- Trump bad
Saudi Arabia- Trump good...so don't mention it.

Anonymous said...

Get ready for an all out war, between Iran and Turkey, good ridence to both of them.

Dennis P said...

Anonymous 9:30 AM

In my comment I neither supported or condemned Trump's comments in his decision making in regard to Syria. But what occurred in Syria is result of the Arab Spring which started with the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya ,it continued to Egypt and extended to Syria with the establishment of the so-called pro-democracy army in Syria which the Kurds were associated with … This Arab Spring operation in Syria started with the attempt of the rebels to overthrow Assad. The Russians came in and backed Assad, Obama warned Russians not to cross the his red line and backed down … Eventually he brought in U.S. troops with his leading from the back approach... While this was going on ISSIS took over large portions of Iraq and Syria to form its califate.. The Kurds, U.S. and Iraq worked hard to shut the califate down. And in course, in Europe while this was going on Russia took over portions of Ukraine drawing Obama's ire and sanctions.. Now it is said with Turkey's attack many IS militants have escaped from their detainment causing more fears. Of course, prisoners of War when peace comes are normally let go to return to their respective countries … But the situation is muddled here... Yes the US is said to be going but we go without peace or as Nixon would say peace with honor... Yes indeed it is a middle situation and the Turkish incursion muddies it up more … Previous to Trump's so-called green light the US and Turkey where arguing about them buying Russian military equipment … On May 8, 1972, President Nixon made a major concession to North Vietnam by announcing that the U.S. would accept a cease-fire in place as a precondition for its military withdrawal. Within a year he was fighting to retain power because of Watergate... Trump first announced his intention to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria in 2018. Amid a backlash, he later agreed to keep a residual American presence there. Trump's announced withdrawal from Syria in late 2018 also led to the resignation of then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. This October he made the decision to complete withdrawal and allow the Turks to allegedly create a butter between them and their s0-called enemies which the Kurds are reported to be. Trump as we all know is facing serious public relations problems with the Democratic House which is reviewing whether to impeach him or not. History is repeating … The situation in Syria and the Middle east remains muddied... And I admit, many do not understand what Trump is doing whether it is good or bad for the world or even for the US.. But it is obvious to me that Donald Trumps would love to be President during the time America traded with the world but refrained from making entangled military alliances with other nations and sub-nations... But that doesn't answer the question why he is transferring more troops to be transferred to Saudi Arabia … And I'm sure we must not forget that Mikhail Gorbachev, former Chairman of the Communist Party and President of the former Soviet would like America to pull back its troops and end military base agreements worldwide. After the fall of the former Soviet Union and the fall of the Berlin Wall .. Some would call that the peace benefit … But then came Traq's incursion into Kuwait and later came 9-11 .. What I said is not exactly an executive memo but I said what I had to say.

Bernie O'Hare said...

Dennis, you are all over the place. Stick to the subject.

Anonymous said...

"Russia provides military support to BOTH Turkey and Syria. This now becomes Russia’s problem to sort out, not ours."

Since you brought it up, that's another one on Trump. Turkey purchased the S-400 anti-missile system from Russia, which is not allowed under the agreement with NATO.

Sanctions on Turkey were supposed to be imposed for making the purchase, but Trump hasn't pulled the trigger on those sanctions. Erdogan and Putin recognize Trump is a pussy.

Makes me wonder when the third Trump Tower will break ground in Turkey.

Anonymous said...

There are about 25 million people who call themselves Kurdish. They occupy areas over 5 Middle Eastern countries, including Turkey! Which tribes should we support? Go ahead, tell us. Or maybe we should send our Troops in harm's way to protect Syria's borders?

Much of this discussion is being fueled by Trump hatred. Nothing more.

Anonymous said...

Maybe , we could solve everyone's problem, if we just had the 4 mil Syrian refugees in turkey come here, and also all the Kurds who want to come. and maybe shut down Israel as a nation and just bring them all over here, then we would have peace in the middle east.

Anonymous said...

Lots of critics as usual, no solutions as usual, as far fear of the flag, that is long gone after 20 years of presence in the middle east and near 70 years of being a policeman rather than real threat. In WW2, the last real war, there were winners and losers, civilian populations were not considered by anyone. then there was real peace, after total destruction. Unless you are ready to act that way, there will never be peace. We could wipe out Turkey and Iran tomorrow morning, but we don't have the guts for it. Until you all do, just shut up.

LVCI said...

Turkey Sanctions: What do you think will happen?
Russia, Iran and China will step in the fill the vacuum PDQ.

12:48 PM-- Satirically said bring them over here. Here's a flash. It ain't about what's in the Kurd's best interest.. it's what's in ours. Turkey is suppose to be a NATO partner. What happens when Assad's forces starting attacking our NATO member Turkish forces? I assume we'll the say the hell with them too. Brilliant... just brilliant strategy. Who do you think Turkey will turn to if that happens?

12:56PM said, " Lots of critics as usual, no solutions as usual..... We could wipe out Turkey and Iran tomorrow morning, but we don't have the guts for it."

"And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come."
~~Country Joe & The Fish~~

That's your brilliant plan?

Anonymous said...

ABC Network News Sunday shows video of Turkish slaughter taking place now in Syria. Only problem . . . The video was taken in Kentucky!
See the problem citizens face trying to understand what’s accurate in this time of FAKE NEWS?

Anonymous said...

Country Joe, right on, I still dont hear no plan from anyone.

Anonymous said...

Country Joe had it right.

Anonymous said...

We have been off fighting Communism, jihadists and anyone we can. all the while the Communists, Jihadist, anarchists etc, have infiltrated and become the real threat at home.

Anonymous said...

There are about 25 million people who call themselves Kurdish. They occupy areas over 5 Middle Eastern countries, including Turkey! Which tribes should we support? Go ahead, tell us. Or maybe we should send our Troops in harm's way to protect Syria's borders?

The ones that fought alongside Americans and whom we promised security for doing so.

And you're damn right this is on Trump. What could Trump of all people possibly know about Middle East politics? He knows nothing. He's a moron.

Anonymous said...

We could wipe out Turkey and Iran tomorrow morning, but we don't have the guts for it. Until you all do, just shut up.

Why on earth would anyone want to wipe out Turkey and Iran? You know there are people there, right? Wow.

Anonymous said...

"Why on earth would anyone want to wipe out Turkey and Iran? You know there are people there, right? Wow."

You shit on everyone here that doesn't agree with you. Why do you pretend you care about these people? It's not you style.



Anonymous said...

So Comrade trump will enact sanctions.
By the time the Turks retreat they will have obtained their goal,namely stacking the bodies of dead Kurds into neat piles.
When the Turks retreat trumpie will claim he stopped a war and he needs a Nobel peace prize.
Russia will gain and the US has lost a valuable ally in the fight against terror.

Anonymous said...

? - are you ready everyone. It is a United Nations problem, not a United States problem. Truth hurts.

Anonymous said...

7.06
So your suggesting that trump leads from behind?
tsk-tsk

Bernie O'Hare said...

"ABC Network News Sunday shows video of Turkish slaughter taking place now in Syria. Only problem . . . The video was taken in Kentucky!
See the problem citizens face trying to understand what’s accurate in this time of FAKE NEWS?"


ABC corrected itself and apologized for its error. If it were Fake, it would never have done that.

Peterjcochran said...

45 years ago ,there were riots about getting out of Vietnam. Kent State a disappointing issue. No Marine in same situation as a National Guardsmen would have shot anybody. There is and was a difference in fire disapline. If your old enough to have lived that era you can possibly understand what is happening now. . Clarance Darrow said .” The trouble with history is iit repeats itself!” Who’s fault is it? The have killing them self’s in Middle East for as long as any historical accounts have been made. Take the Oil out and it would not matter.

Peterjcochran said...

Ya they apologized! The Kurds are an autonomous group. They are holding territory well out of their venue to denigh ISIS the area U.S. support advisors are pulled back away from expected invasion area by Turks. Everybody was notified in advance. I will tell you the Turks are in for a fight if necessary against the Kurds. There is again a difference in war fighting, I say 4-5 to 1. I don’t think it’s wise to not screw around with the Kurds too much because you will get get yours ears pinned back. The Turks are well trained but the average troop is not well seasoned in comparison.

Anonymous said...

8.10
" I will tell you the Turks are in for a fight if necessary against the Kurds"
In one aspect you are correct. when you have no escape you might as well take some Turks with you.
one problem is the Turkish f-16 dropping bombs on you.
bravery or toughness does nothing for you against air-power.
the Kurds will be slaughtered

Anonymous said...

Pres. Eisenhower warned America about the Military-Industrial Complex. these bastards have been getting us into wars since the end of WWII. Peter, the VN protesters were right to want that war to end and the troops come home. It was just for money making. That is why to this day we have endless wars. Time to cut the BS and call it like it is not the way we have been spoon-fed.

Why not have another parade and a huge flag display so more poor folk sign up so we can keep making the war criminals rich!

Anonymous said...

Okay BOH, you keep on dreaming. Nighty-night.

Anonymous said...

Do you need a blanket and some hot chocolate?

Anonymous said...

Why all the hate P, You attack President Eisenhower, the great General of WWII? You are a better military man than i8m? Stop the nonsense. The other posters did not attack you or the e troops but the money makers. Are you slow? You must hate anyone that did not do as you did. Many people drafted fought as hard as you but opposed the VN war. It was an unnecessary war. You must be buthurt that you must attack college kids because some did not go to VN. You do realize most military people never were in combat. Are they all bums? Come on you jarhead, give up the macho hate.

Anonymous said...

Well, well . . . Turkey's Erdogan has ALREADY retreated under Trump's pressure. There was a frantic phone call and representatives are about to meet. Might be hard to find on your favorite news station.

Bernie O'Hare said...

If you make a claim like that, please provide a link. I have no such information and suspect you are engaged in deliberate misinformation. My latest info is that Trump has imposed sanctions and that some US troops are stranded inside Turkey bc Trump ordered a wihdrawal without giving them time. Moreover, Erdogan is holding 40 nukes hostage inside Turkey.

Istead of dispatching Pence, Trump should have brought the full weight of NATO down on Erdogan. That's 21 nations and they oppose what Turkey is doing. Right now Trump has no credibility.

Anonymous said...

theconservativetreehouse.com is loaded with reliable information, INCLUDING actual documents in support. Decide for yourself. Of course, you'll deny everything you might find there. So, you're one less vote in 2020. Who cares?

Anonymous said...

You prefer a twitter driven foreign policy which needlessly freed 1000s of ISIS terrorists to do greater harm. The Kurds who sacrificed 10000 men of their own while saving hundreds of American lives rightfully hate Cut and run Trump and stab in the back America. There was a tenuous balance in place with only a few US soldiers in harms way. One phone call. Trump folds like a cheap $2 suitcase. Needless mayhem and death ensue. But rates are for this weekend at Trump Towers Ankara.

Bernie O'Hare said...

Reliable? Lol. There is no withdrawal, moron. There should never have been an invasion. About 1,000 US troops were stranded as of last night, and Erdogan holds 40 nukes hostage.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, never mentioned a withdrawal, just a retreat from current position. Your name-calling is not becoming.

Bernie O'Hare said...

A retreat from a current position is a withdrawal, moron.

Anonymous said...

8:55 = A person who never served and doesn't know the meaning of standing with a comrade/friend/ally. Just like Trump.

Anonymous said...

Been policing for European Countries since WWII. Time for them to step up. Don't blame Trump as American's are tired seeing our youth die for others than Americans. Remember they are also our Allies who do very little. Any other NATO Country or even the UN to rally the world powers and put pressure on Turkey. In addition, Bernie calling people moron and "fuck you Anonymous" right out of the liberal left handbook.

Anonymous said...

Within 24 hours of withdrawing, Russian Troops have occupied the deserted American base. They are tweeting pictures. This is Trump foreign policy. A permanent Russian military presence in the middle east. I am sure Israel is thrilled. Let us not forget their occupation is courtesy of the US providing them an already built military base.

Before all you Trumpterees start making excuses. If this were Obama's doing the articles of impeachment would have already been written and Turtle man McConnell would be promising a quick vote by the Senate. Hypocrites all!