Friends,
I hope you've all had a good cry, got drunk, banged your head against the wall, or screamed primally into the ether. Feel better?
Good.
Now, stop the whining and hand-wringing, and get to work. Stop bleating about racism and misogyny. That's NOT why HRC lost this election. It's an easy answer, and it may comfort us in our smug progressive superiority to think that, but this race was about so much more. Recognize why we lost, so it doesn't happen again.
It was really about forgotten America. The person living in the rust-belt, or the Mon River Valley, who used to be able to support his or her (yeah, probably his, but let's not gloss over the surprisingly high number of women who voted Trump) family with a decent job. Those jobs are gone, and they haven't been replaced in rural America.
Rural unemployment is significantly higher than it is in urban areas. The vast majority of jobs created by the recovery went to our urban centers. Rural meth and opioid addiction rates are sky-rocketing. Rural youth suicide rates are also spiking, and again are significantly higher than in urban areas. Global trade has left that part of America behind, and scorched their way of life in its wake.
So don't talk to that guy about white male privilege. He's going to wonder what the fuck your talking about. He just knows that HIS world is worse than his father's was. He's going to wonder what kind of privilege has him working at a Walmart, going home to a kid at significantly higher risk of suicide or drug addiction than our children face. And that the only real economic opportunity for the kids will be to leave home.
The system abandoned him (or her), and they know it. Hell, we didn't just abandon them, we mad FUN of them: hillbillies, knuckledraggers, inbreds, or pick any other insult we've used to describe these folks.Then we Democrats nominated a deeply flawed candidate, who was the personification of the very system that dirt-roaded these folks.
Are some of them racist, homophobic or misogynistic? Sure, but not all of them. Not even most of them. Not enough to account for Trump's victory.
See, I suspect they KNEW he was an opportunistic asshole from the get-go. And they didn't care. That's why with every new tawdry revelation about Trump, his numbers didn't really move. They were backing him BECAUSE he was an ass-wipe. This was their way of putting a thumb in all of our eyes. And it worked.
They collectively shit in this Country's Wheaties.
And until we, as a party, come up with a way to address the economic issues that caused this divide, the issues we've ignored for 30 years, we may be having this same conversation in four years.
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President-Elect Trump has promised to replace Obamacare. That can't come fast enough.
Also Secretary Clinton believed that uborn babies have no rights. There are laws against murder in our nation. Sorry, the American people cannot support a candidate that supports infanticide.
Memo to President Trump.
It wasn't rigged.
Dogs can't count.
If they could they'd likely say, "Trump won because these stupid humans can't count".
And then a smart Border Collie would say, "Humans can count but their full of shit and use funny barks and howls when counting to confuse the humans with electric fences."
And then a German Shepherd said, "It looks to me like they rigged the system so the human that can tie his own leash on wins."
And then a Poodle said "Counting schmounting, one was a bitch"
And then a Pointer said "You all make good points"
Absolutely nothing is more destructive to working people than technology because it eliminates work. If you think unemployment is bad now, wait until Volvo's self driving trucks hit the road and we start with the drones.
Our goal should be 100% unemployment. Work is totally overrated. Most everyone works just for the money not because work is a virtue.
Imagine giving everyone the dignity of working pro bono publico.
I know that dog. It has a foul mouth and can be a real wiseass.
Thankfully, we have finally seen the last of the queen of the Sisterhood of the Presidential Pantsui
I'll also be watching my television today to see which of the Hollywood crowd will be leaving the US by their private lear jets.
And then a Pointer said "You all make good points"
Adorable!
We need you in Washington.
Hey mezzacrazy, I heard you were packing at the poling site, wonder why your site was only one that went Trump. Anybody file a voter intimidation charge?
If anyone actually witnessed Constable cRaZy wearing a sidearm they need to contact Northampton County Solicitor Ryan Durkin at the Courthouse. A Constable can be prosecuted for wearing a sidearm inside a polling area. It's considered intimidation, which is why police aren't allowed within 100' of the area unless called for a disturbance.
I find it disappointing that the whiners are unhappy about the election results. For 8 years, they got their way. Now, someone who is not them gets their way, and idiots are protesting and rioting. I don't think those who opposed the election of Obama were out in the streets in 2008.
7:45, So far as I know, a constable can be armed. The problem with Constable cRaZy is she is not firearms certified and may not wear her sidearm if she is in uniform.
10:43am
Lighten up. You are safe your government is protecting you.
All the protesters will have facial recognition technology used on them. That data along with their cell phone, emails, bank records, employment record, medical records, ect., and that of all their acquaintances will be cross correlated and stored by Homeland Security.
If deemed necessary, the information will be outsourced to private security firms that will individually make them disappear. A Suicide here, a single car accident there, a drug overdose in the back, a hospital mistake up front, and before you know it we won't need riot gear or night sticks.
There won't be any more Malcolm X's they have the technology to nip them in the bud now.
30 years?
it's close to 70 years, kids.
Anon 10:43, No after the Obama election we had protests in Washington with the new tea party. Hates festooned with teabags. Picture so Obama with a bone in his nose and wearing a loin cloth.
So please stop the nonsense about how civil you baggers were.
Let us not forget all the money that gets poured into campaigns by the Koch brothers and other lobbyists for both sides.
Bernie,
that dirty junkyard dog is one of gods most beautiful creatures and stands there with more dignity, honor and integrity than most humans could ever even aspire to posess in this day and age! Than there is her story and her eyes, they kinda reach out and want to sniff your groin area be it male or female!
posted on MM's blog this morning with a little humor from reading you only to be deleted because it had a pet peev of his the little lehigh and Allentown Water Works now LCA statment that would make all drinkers drymouthed?
REpublican redd
not left or right just a humanist and fowlable
Not racist, bigoted or misogyninstic just extremely of forgiving of racist, bigoted and misogyninstic behavior. And pus$y grabbing
2:29 Obama is so yesterday.... Trump is President Elect now. We're waiting for the U-Haul at the White House.
How come we didn't see any video of Michelle and Melania at the White House today? Didn't they get along like Barry and Don did ?
3:37 If Pussy Grabbing would have won the election for her, Hillary would be walking around with a hand in her crouch.
While a minority of Hillary Clinton supporters march and hold organized flag burnings to galvanize opposition to the peaceful transition of power, it is worth noting that, in the rest of the world, much larger crowds are assembling for precisely the opposite reason: to see their nations hold elections as legitimate as America’s this week.
4.36
try
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Trump-limits-press-access-first-White-House-visit-10606370.php
"Breaking tradition, President-elect Donald Trump refused to let journalists travel with him to cover his first meeting with President Barack Obama.
The move broke from protocol intended to ensure that the public has a watchful eye on the nation's leader.
Trump flew from New York to Washington on his private jet without the so-called "pool" of reporters, photographers and television cameras that have traveled with presidents and presidents-elect in the past."
"News organizations had tried for weeks to coordinate a pool of journalists who could travel with Trump immediately after Election Day if he won the election. But his campaign did not cooperate and his senior advisers refused Wednesday to discuss any such arrangements."
so much for transparency.
wonder what he was hiding from the American people?
Equal justice under the law will prevail in 2017.
I agree withy that foul mouthed Sadie to a large degree. I believe Trump won not because of all the bad things he said but in spit of them. He spoke to the same issues Bernie Sanders did and that was jobs. In 19992, Bill Clinton's campaign had it right with the "economy". People still vote with their wallets. Trumps spoke to the millions of unskilled an semi-skilled laborers and unemployed who feel left behind. Bernie did the same thing.
In fact had Sanders been the Democratic candidate he may have flipped Wisconsin and Michigan, possibly Ohio then again maybe not. The point is the Democratic machine was in the bag for the uncoronated queen of America. Americans hate coronations. I voted for her in spite of that because I think Trump is nuts and will find governing a lot harder than campaigning. That being said I hope he succeeds. He spoke to the people and with them. Democratic loyalists just can't get that. Most Democrats myself included don't give a rat's ass about electing the first this or that or how many celebrities love our candidate. Who gives a shit? Time for our Party to hit the reset button and stop with the insider game that is staged at all levels of the Party. Get over yourselves and lets figure out how to capture the pragmatism of Bill Clinton and the populism of Bernie Sanders. With that we can win the future. Will the "Party" do that, probably not. It is much easier to get together for little insider functions pat each other on the back and bitch about the voters.
Hopefully that dog had all her shots. We all know her owned hasn't had any.
10.43
try
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a011609limbaughfail
"November 5-12, 2008: Experts Refute Conservatives’ Characterization of ‘Obama Recession’Edit event
The US’s two most popular conservative radio hosts, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, are repeatedly labeling the current economic collapse the “Obama recession,” even though the recession has started already, and President-elect Barack Obama was only elected on November 4 and will not assume the presidency until January 20, 2009."
the right wing was smearing President Obama from the very start.
and
"Limbaugh says, “I disagree fervently with the people on our [Republican] side of the aisle who have caved and who say, ‘Well, I hope he succeeds.’” Limbaugh says “a major American print publication” has asked him to write a brief statement on his “hope for the Obama presidency.” Limbaugh’s response: “So I’m thinking of replying to the guy, ‘Okay, I’ll send you a response, but I don’t need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails.”
yep the right wing has some nerve seeking a break for trump.
To the point made by anon 5:52, I heard a few Democratic committee women say they will make sure Hillary Clinton wins in four years. Dumb as a pile of bricks, aren't they. Of course they don't hear what they don't want to hear.
@5:58
As a Democrat, I agree that any talk of Hillary returning in 4 years is stupidity. She had her shot and there won't be any better one for her than the one just lost. A number of primary contenders could have handily beat Trump, including John Kasich.
Am I upset that an egotistical bully billionaire salesman with no diplomatic skills or clue about how to run a democratic government is POTUS and in charge of a nuclear arsenal? Yes.
Do I respect the election process and accept the result? Yes.
Like it or not the asshole is our President. If we are still around in 4 years I'm betting he will have failed miserably and will be resoundingly trounced if Kasich is given the opportunity to run against him.
So, let the Trumpkins rejoice in their victory. It was earned. The rest of us only have to wait for them to realize that sometimes you shouldn't get what you wished for.
Apologies. I had Kasich on my mind as a good President (I would have crossed the party line). I meant to say Sanders could have beaten Trump.
5:55, What's your point? You now are listening to what Limbaugh advised? It's so childish to argue that you can obstruct Trump from the get go because the most strident partisans on the right did that to Obama. Grow up.
6:28 and Nixon could have beaten Clinton. What's your point ?
Kasich is a big loser for the GOP. Instead of supporting the party nominee, he's outside looking in and up shit's creek by his own actions
Can't wait till around the first hundred day when trump supporters realize they have been had. Conned by a New Yorker who up until three years ago was a conservative Democrat. I guess he thought a run for prez would at least at a minimum be good for his brand. The election may be over but the show goes on. Lets see how the right wing feels at the 100 day mark. Then there is the usual fight about paying for his changes after all he will have a republican house and senate. Then theres the occupancy rate at all his properties. The show can only get better. Stay tuned
Bill and Hillary have been conning the country for 25 years.
Anti-Trump protests turn violent: Cops clash with 6,000-strong crowd in Oakland and activists block roads in LA amid nationwide demonstrations that saw Madonna and Cher join 7,000 in NYC
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922098/The-backlash-begins-Disgruntled-anti-Trump-protesters-refuse-accept-election-result-gather-New-York-cities-country.html
Now you want to know why we voted for Trump ?
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana – What started as a protest against President-Elect Donald Trump soon turned to violent riots where one of New Orleans’ most famous monuments was covered in graffiti and glass windows were shattered out of a nearby bank.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/11/10/die-whites-die-anti-trump-rioters-vandalize-nola-monuments/
Love TRUMPS Hate ?
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the point is the republicans expect the Democrats to forget all the garbage they spewed before and during the Obama Presidency.
was mitch mcconnell a strident partisan when he aimed to make Obama a one term President?
a sitting U.S. Senator?
everything from Obama's family to Obama using a paper clip was attacked by the right wing.
yes Fox spent a news cycle attacking Obama for using a regular paper clip.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/09/13/shockingly-petty-news-corp-outlets-attack-obama/181092
(not a neutral source my apologies)
a stimulus plan that Obama wanted was laughed at by republicans.yet now they think an infrastructure program is a great idea now that trump has won.
i admire the attempt to take the high road but it is wasted on the republicans as they never met Obama with an "open mind".
therefore the Democrats should be glad to entertain trumps ideas as long as it matches the Democrat's goals.
It is true the Republicans run the entire Washington government so we shall see. Will be interesting to see when the Insurance Companies and big pharma is given their freedom how much prices will drop? They played a great game to con the people. Wait till folks find out that if you want no pre-existing conditions and no upper limits, you will end up paying as much as you do now. Unless you want to go back to the old shit policies that had an upper limit and would throw you off if they could prove any connection to pre-existing. How long before eth bubble of idiocracy bursts.
Maybe its for the best,. Eventually people will get tired of health for profit playing with their lives and we will finally have a normal single payer system that works on behalf of people and not for profit medicine that is insane. People under the age of 45 overwhelmingly want a single payer system. They will make it happen as soon as the whinny boomers are all laid to reast.
"a stimulus plan that Obama wanted was laughed at by republicans.yet now they think an infrastructure program is a great idea now that trump has won."
True that!
Yeah I remember the Romney Riots after the 2012 election....
7.07
the Lee statue has had it'd share of problems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_Monument_(New_Orleans,_Louisiana)
"As part of a sixty-day period for public input, two city commissions called for the removal of four monuments associated with the Confederacy: the Lee statue, statues of Jefferson Davis and P.G.T. Beauregard, and an obelisk commemorating the "Battle of Liberty Place". Governor Bobby Jindal opposed the removals.[9]
On December 15, 2015, Wynton Marsalis explained his reasons for advocating removal in the New Orleans Times-Picayune:
"When one surveys the accomplishments of our local heroes across time from Iberville and Bienville, to Andrew Jackson, from Mahalia Jackson, to Anne Rice and Fats Domino, from Wendell Pierce, to John Besh and Jonathan Batiste, what did Robert E. Lee do to merit his distinguished position? He fought for the enslavement of a people against our national army fighting for their freedom; killed more Americans than any opposing general in history; made no attempt to defend or protect this city; and even more absurdly, he never even set foot in Louisiana. In the heart of the most progressive and creative cultural city in America, why should we continue to commemorate this legacy?"
so the "graffiti and glass windows were shattered " is not acceptable.
claiming that the Democratic party encouraged such a thing(from breitbart) is a baseless accusation.
"claiming that the Democratic party encouraged such a thing(from breitbart) is a baseless accusation."
I don't see any Republicans rioting in the streets, sorry.
7.17
"Donald Trump certainly showed the world how really juvenile he can be, when he went on a Twitter tirade upon learning that Obama would occupy the Oval Office again. The sore billionaire loser with the offensive comb over incessantly whined about how the election was a “total sham and a travesty…. We are not a democracy!”
he was so presidential about Obama getting a second term.
http://newsone.com/2082964/republicans-against-obama/
and
"Election Day eve got pretty ugly at the University of Mississippi, when hundreds of students gathered the school’s campus to riot after the race was called for Obama. There were plenty of racial slurs hurled about the President and African Americans in general. Additionally, Obama signs were burned to the ground. Police eventually broke up the mob scene, which lasted until the wee hours of Wednesday morning."
and
"Anti-Obama Republicans in Texas last week tried to incite a civil war, post-election, demanding that their state splinter-off from the rest of the country and the “maggots” who helped secure a second term for President Obama."
7.31
how would you know?
remember the nevertrump wing of the republican party?
Any woman who reads theses words and voted for Trump, here's what you voted for:
So far, the names being floated for a Donald Trump administration largely have one thing in common, they’re men. And for the most (best?) part, they’re white men. One list I've seen of 41 names under consideration for cabinet and top white house positions. Of those, only six are women. In other news stories listing potential appointees, no women are named.
Bernie,
Most of these supposid political consultant professionals out here on the blogs are just that supposid or in other words mail order sheepwool orderers! In the reel world experiance is the best knowledge, "hands on" elbows up in shit and one cannot learn that in any book or computer youtube site. Yea there might be a hole lot of informational clips but they are just that information that by the way these days could be right or wrong. Everyone has capabilities to do this in there pocket and no one needs a studio to produce a bunch of bullshit!
I personally love the dogs hairdue, in todays world that make me a beastiealitist to those that care to sling some sort a shit but I don't care because I can't even spell the word?
PLEASE Bernie, no more I beg of you as a fateful reader that hasn't redd a word
6:53 said: "Can't wait till around the first hundred day when trump supporters realize they have been had. Conned by a New Yorker who up until three years ago was a conservative Democrat... Lets see how the right wing feels at the 100 day mark"
You do realize, don't you, that you basically just reiterated Bernie's post? "Conservative Democrat"? Perhaps more shrewdly than genuinely (?) but Trump tapped into a strain in American politics that's been around along time, e.g., George Wallace beginning to shed some of the segregationist, and running as the "law and order"/anti-busing/but still ok with govt help to create jobs candidate in 68/72 and who started gaining traction in places outside the south like IN, WS, MI, OH (states sound familiar this year?) when Nixon/GOPs antenna went up sponged those issues, and the "southern strategy" was also born; to the "Reagan Democrats" of the 80s in places like PA, OH, MI, WI (states sound familiar this year?); to the "America First" populism of Pat Buchanan in the 90s.... The strain has been there, but long ignored and forgotten by both parties until this year.
And the official "right wing" you speak of were against him all along. Neo-Con National Review had "Never Trump" emblazened on one of its covers, and French contemplated an independent run to try to split the GOP vote.
In the end, I did not like many of the personal characteristics of either candidate, so I ignored the flaws in both that would have sunk candidates in a "normal year" and voted on the "vision" and "issues" and decided to vote Trump. I may have a few college degrees, and thus according to all the pundits and their polls should have been smugly in the Clinton camp looking down my nose, but while life has been good to me, I do not forget from where I began. And, besides trade and the economy, other issues that have long been important such as the balance of the Sup Court, and immigration. That "Reagan Dem"/Buchanan populism is a strain that does not neatly fit the traditional Dem-Rep paradigm. Will he follow through?? But if he can shake it up, and get some of it ... genuine or not, it was kind of nice to hear a voice, perhaps too crudely, saying some things I agreed with. I obviously was not alone.
What kind of a statement is it really there to make? THEY LOST
Now you Democrats know how it feels to be a conservative over the past 8 years...Back in the USSR, they would have paid you to read propaganda.
You LOST
These mindless Democratic snowflakes are protesting because they are millennial morons that have all been brainwashed by their Marxist professors to reject democracy, capitalism, free speech, the Constitution, forbearance, independent thought, hard work, propriety, sacrifice, peaceful discourse, moderation, self-control, personal initiative, rationality and common sense.
Wait, did they actually VOTE for Hillary Clinton? Or are they just pissed off that now they have to pay for their own college loans?
All Hillary did was give them incitement to riot. And her supporters who are adults are noticing and leaving the Democratic Party because of their antics
You don't see all of this mayhem from conservatives when Obama won.
The party of violence still hasn't changed.
Trade is the tough one my friend. Trump wants to tariff goods made in mexico by american companies. Sounds good but who is gonna pay the prices when higher than china made. So tariff china made goods because i am sure walmart will absorb the increase. I am confident that trump can figure this all out cause he knows more than all the generals and only he can fix it. You see he has manipulated the system all these years and made a great company. So he is the only one and uniquely qualified to solve all these problems. I guess it never ever dawned on anyone in congress all these years to come up with a good trade policy.Newsflash, Our standard of living and automation killed jobs in this country. How about this one,Walmart killed small businesses not gov regs.Then theres Malls that shut down many downtowns and even Mike Molovinskys father was put out of business by a Food Fair or a Penn Fruit. Your damn right that Trump tapped into the long forgotten middle class however what makes Trump think he has the answers to the problems that both political parties have been trying to solve since the last former conservative Democrat and union leader Reagan. You know the saying Be careful what you ask for because he got it and my guess is that like any con artist hes gotta come up with something and fast. So yes the reality show is not over the new season premiers Jan 20
It's fun to watch the left in total meltdown mode.
What we have are total misfits that are trying to convince the public we are a racist nation; but the fact is that the people who are protesting are anarchists. They want illegals, they want open borders, they want a government check.
Now they are throwing their temper tantrums and stamping their feet like the children they are
In our society it's the voters who decide who leads our government. Now GROW UP.
If you need counseling to get over an election, you're simply a misfit and need psychological help
While I have lived the majority of life now in PA, I went "home" to Ohio for a funeral a few weeks before the election, and my native county that went for Obama in 2008 and 2012 (just as I had for the first time in my life voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in 08), and I saw so MANY Trump signs in people's yards (not like around here littering public roadways) and 3 Clinton signs. That county went Trump this year, as did I. I understand 10:12's (6:53?) observations about automation, costs, etc, but when Ford can make a car in Mexico with cheap labor and send back here... I remember when I bought my first house in Ohio. Here I was a college grad. Yes, I worked my way through college, including in my dad's factory. Three doors down was a Ford worker who with over time made a heck of ALOT more money than I did teaching. Fortunately for me, humans keep producing kids so I still have a career, and his Ford plant has long closed.
You are right about Walmart, etc. We all need to look in the mirror in how we contributed. I remember doing research once on the local garment industry. The Lehigh Valley used to have so many clothing manufacturers. We shop (regardless of Walmart or high end), and we buy clothes made in Mexico, or Vietnam (irony), etc, because its cheaper.
Business wins, Joe Schmoe looses. But in the end, Dem Clinton and GOP Congress signed NAFTA that was the nail in what was left of the LV garment industry (only Majestic able to semi hang on). Trump was very "unRepublican" (AND Democrat) on Trade. Well, its still an issue. TPP... America first, both in trade and foreign policy touches a lot of nerves... throw in the Supreme Court and immigration, and cultural reaction to all of the identity politics, and to the point of the post, Trump shrewdly tapped into a strain of America polity.
and yes, I acknowledge the hypocrisy of past Trump ties (or whatever it was) made overseas, and his use of immigrant labor to build Tower.
I watched those two criminals meet today and thought how boring it was. The pretentious handoff or "peaceful transition of power" generally accomplishes it's purpose, that is, fooling the public that power is being transferred. It's a necessary photo-op to perpetuate that myth. But it's boring, leaving the viewer unfulfilled. I read a post here longing to be shown video of their consorts, Michele & Melania, hoping to glean some entertainment from their discomfort, I suppose.
I also read some post about the statue removal of southern traitors to the united states. You know things are boring when we get back to venerating southern traitors.
Bitch all you want about the protesters, but they are the most entertaining thing we got going, and however impotent the protester are to effect any change, their methods of taking to the streets, taking over all public areas right up to the state houses, represent what it really takes to transfer power.
NAFTA didn't take any jobs, and neither will the TPP, that would not have been lost to, or could not be done by a machine.
Building cars or sewing garments is a thing of the past, nearly every product we consume, including food can now be produced without any human labor. This is the paradox we find ourselves in, we only need jobs for money, not because work needs to be done. If you are a laborer and have a job it's because it hasn't been automated yet.
Machines make all the products, eliminates the jobs and reason for money in the first place.
Polls be damned..the people have chosen and the system as it is...worked. We do not have to like the choice but we must continue to respect the process that we have. Democracy in America is an ongoing experiment. Hope for the best and stick to our guns/beliefs as best we can. Maybe..just maybe..this person will be able to do something...anything..to make Washington,DC work for the common man for a change instead of the corporations and the rich and currently powerful. Power to the people!
Right message..wrong leader. Trump a silver spoon in mouth entitled child/man. How can he ever relate to the middle class and those left behind?
I find it disappointing that the whiners are unhappy about the election results. For 8 years, they got their way. Now, someone who is not them gets their way, and idiots are protesting and rioting. I don't think those who opposed the election of Obama were out in the streets in 2008.
I'm with you to an extent. However, idiots have taken Trump's words and are using them against minorities as early as the day following the election. Hijab torn off Muslim women, racist graffiti with Trump's name, widespread student intimidations. Parents explaining to their daughters how the country could elect someone that said such horrible things about women. People are freaked out. This isn't the election of Mitt Romney.
"Hijab torn off Muslim women, racist graffiti with Trump's name, widespread student intimidations"
"Parents explaining to their daughters how the country could elect someone that said such horrible things about women."
You express these things like they are bad.
Death and destruction, genocide, racism and slavery, subjugation of women is what made America what it is today.
Trump's grit has sanding off our self righteous veneer, I'm glad it didn't burnish it.
I think that is the best thing about Trump, he is just a mirror, and folks seem happy with what they see and what we are...deplorable and no more virtuous than any other group of hairless chimps on the globe.
Many now openly proclaim with pride "I am deplorable". At least it's not bullshit I think is refreshing.
And others beat up white people because it's assumed they voted for trump.
"And others beat up white people because it's assumed they voted for trump."
That's deplorable...Is it on youtube yet?
"I think that is the best thing about Trump, he is just a mirror, and folks seem happy with what they see and what we are..."
We can be ugly, but I hope you wrong. If you believe that, then you should be opposed to any form of democracy.
Finally found one of those "angry old white men" someone on here is always blathering about.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/departing-senate-minority-leader-reid-lashes-out-at-trump/2016/11/11/2a083522-a831-11e6-ba46-53db57f0e351_story.html
I will say the author is one fine looking bitch
Bernie if I'm wrong, I win.
The truth is when Trump won...I said in my best Bobby Fisher voice, "This is wonderful news!"
First thought was,ok the dog caught the bus it was chasing, now what? Second thought was, PA had a repub. governor senate and house couldn't get diddly accomplished except a massive gas tax hike in 4 years. I'd predict the same for the next 4 years.
Repeal and Replace CONGRESS Healthcare coverage. Give Pat Toomey and Charlie Dent minimum health savings accounts like they want to force on us. The alternative would be to give every working American access the the same Healthcare plan Congress receives. Charlie Dent said Medicare was an entitlement. Now he wanta to phase it out and leave working Amsricans with the tab and an uncertain retiremen, if at all. if you agree with Dent position on Healthcare and Medicare, then you probablt think Tricare should be converted to a HSA. Maybe, an alternativw would be to let working Americans buy into the same Tricare plan. Tricare premiums are probably $210 per month for a family.
Can anyone recommend the best material for a bomb shelter? I have two quotes. One for reinforced concrete and one for 7/8" steel. Concrete is cheaper, but I worry about cracks developing due to the shock waves.
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republicans have vowed to eliminate obamacare and replace it with a better and cheaper
system to provide healthcare for Americans.
they have had plenty of time to put up the alternative.
why they failed to show Americans a better cheaper system is a mystery.
the reality is that republicans can tell 30 million Americans you not only do not get to keep your doctor you do not even get to see one at all.
except the last time when the doctor lists the cause of your death.
From the onset I opposed Obamacare. I watched as Rs submitted numerous alternatives that were rejected. I watched as cheaper systems were rejected. A bill that significant needed a consensus, not a bare majority. It was flawed legislation all along. Republicans and even a few Dems like myself tried to tell you, but you knew better. And in my view, this is what did Hillary in. Nobody who sees his health insurance double was going to vote for her. These are working class people who can't afford these kinds of hits. I would rather have single payer or a major overhaul. The medical device tax, endless paperwork, insurance companies replacing physicians on what is medically necessary - all has to go. Yes, parts of Obamacare worked. Keep those and start over.
12.21
" I watched as Rs submitted numerous alternatives that were rejected. I watched as cheaper systems were rejected."
and why would Democrats reject a better and cheaper system?
the idea was to get healthcare for more Americans.
if the republicans offered a better or equivalent plan the consensus would have been there.
it would be a win-win situation.
the republican plans would have given you an illusion of a health plan.
so the question becomes what do you tell those 30 million?
die early?
tough cookies it is your fault you got sick?
i hope the republicans can offer a better and cheaper plan.
given their track record on caring for the needy well you can understand my concerns.
12.11
take an idea from Cheyenne mountain the old NORAD HQ.
steel box on springs with a open space.
I'm not going to resurrect this debate. I debated it at the time, a time when Nancy Pelosi and Obama refused to listen to others, including Charlie Dent. You did not get better health care. You got worse health care. And working class Americans have seen their premiums double because young Americans still are not getting health insurance. You were warned this would happen. By Republicans and a few Dems. Now you have paid the price. You have lost touch with your own base. I'd rather see socialized medicine or a return to the previous system, keeping what works and scrapping the endless paperwork and controls by insurance companies. If it were left to me completely, it would be single payer.
12.59
fair enough.
the republicans get to explain to 30 million people what their fate is.
revolution is easy ruling afterward is hard.
how they handle this problem will be a test of whether they care about all Americans or only some Americans.
Bernie,
I see the sicophants from the left and right, or in my words the toilet brigaide's gloryhole gatherers out back in the little tent are still on there rants? Exceptance pg 443, they should read it?
They too as all love, sadie because of the genuine look in her eyes. If she could have a hand held they would hope to steal that away from her too.
I was so hoping to read opinions this weekend. WFMZ and there nue advertismental format and the irratants caused by locally interuppted reading. Most don't care about local issues as they too are so self absorbed and think the universe revolves around them and only them, like a child that wants more candy?
REpublican redd
Don't find the carnival circus entertaining
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