Ancient China was once ruled by emperors who would establish dynasties lasting hundreds of years. Around 200 AD, the Han dynasty came crashing down after 500 years. A corrupt group of bureaucrats called the Ten Eunuchs controlled everything, including the emperor. They were the swamp. A brutal general named Dong Zhuo vowed to drain the swamp, and he did. But he was a monster who raped, looted and killed innocent people with impunity. Heroes were needed, and they came My impression of 10 Democratic hopefuls who debated last night is that the Ten Eunuchs want to replace America's Dong Zhuo.
There were too many with too little time to provide meaningful answers. Three of them, and even a moderator, occasionally pandered in Spanish. Bill DeBlasio bragged about his black son. They all claimed to support the working man, but most are the very elitists they condemn. Eunuchs. Cory Booker must have mentioned 1,000 times that he lives in a low-income minority neighborhood, prompting me to conclude he moved there just so he could brag about it. I was hoping Elizabeth Warren would impress. She failed. She blames corporations for everything, which is both short-sighted and wrong. Beto O'Rourke is a phony. Amy Klobuchar condescended when she spoke, with a smirk. Some people liked Julian Castro, but I thought he was just another eunuch. The candidate with the most appeal, at least to me, was Tulsi Gabbard.
What's your take?
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Since the Democrats are so in to Tribalism, how come none of them speak up for us short people?
When I was in high school, two football players stuffed me in a trash can and pushed me up and down the halls between classes. Randy Newman - a decidedly liberal songwriter - made millions mocking short people.
On behalf of short people everywhere, we demand reparations. Now!
Jesus Christ, Bernie. Did you watch with the sound off, or did you just go in determined to hate everyone? We get it, you are a curmudgeon who doesn't actually give a shit about policy (prove me wrong and actually mention one that was discussed). The point of this debate was to separate the wheat from the chaff (looking at you Tim Ryan), and it largely did that.
Several of the candidates, like Beto, made themselves look like buffoons. Some outperformed expectations (Castro). And some demonstrated policy expertise while still coming across as obnoxious (Delaney and DeBlasio). I don't understand how anyone found Gabbard impressive. She speaks like she is reading a teleprompter even when she isn't and she answered a question about equal pay by giving a canned intro about how she is in the military. She also apparently does not care one iota about developing domestic policy proposals.
Also, if your name is José Diaz-Balart and you are an anchor on Telemundo as well as NBC, speaking spanish isn't pandering, it's just speaking.
Your implication that Trump actually did "drain the swamp" is laughably dumb and contrary to anything resembling reality. He advertised on national television that he is open to being a tool of foreign governments, ffs.
Tulsi Gabbard was the most impressive candidate
without a doubt.
The pandering has just begun.
You haven’t seen anything yet.
At times it reminded me of a dog show. At other points it reminded me of a circus overflowing with clowns and midway barkers.
Our “Democracy” is something akin to a game show.
We’re in deep deep shit.
Beto is a buffoon.
Booker is a pimp.
Warren who spent more than half her life as a Republican now wants to be everything to everybody.
At least Gabbard is dignified.
Did you miss the fact that DiBlasio has a black wife? Yes, He will tell you over and over again. If you miss that he will show her to you over an dover again. The guy is a pandering fraud.
One of these people is going to be the most powerful person on Earth????????
Tulsi Gabbard is a Vet...as she'll tell you over and over and over. What other thoughts or policies she has are unknown even to her. Julian Castro impressed last night but this country will never elect a President CASTRO. Warren continues to be a favorite but she was not as impressive in this format which does not allow for any discussion of any depth about policy. Delaney, Ryan, O'Rourke will be finished off in short order after last night.
what debate?
i want free stuff !!! I vote demoRAT
A bad parody of What’s My Line.
Tulsi is a libertarian leaning centrist who'll never survive this purity test. She'd get a lot of Independents and Rs. She easily beats Trump if nominated. She'll never be nominated. She's running in a party that Trump has forced to go completely bonkers. He's going to win again.
It’s time for an America Indian POTUS.
I’m with Princess Warren.
Government paid abortions until the head pops out (and even after, in some cases), gun confiscation, open borders and sanctuary cities, illegals get to vote, radical climate agenda from cow farts to holocaust-inducing plastic straws, elimination of private health insurance, 74% of families who don't send kids to college will bail out the 26% who do/did, lower age of consent to permit sex with children .........
Will it play in Peoria? Or Schnecksville? Or Anywhere?
who ever votes democratic is anti america
Donald Trump, by a landslide . . .
I want free healthcare from cradle to grave. I want all my school loans paid off and while your at it pay off my home mortgage as well. I want my three Obama phone, and make it an Apple phone while you are at it. I want higher taxes and higher unemployment rates. I want a free automobile to get to my government job where five other people do the same thing as me. Funny thing it only takes one person to really do this job. So I need my own counselor to help me with my own sense of worth. I want open borders to Canada and Mexico, cause I like strawberries and who picks them better than Mexicans. Oh I have three kids so I want free college for them. Lehigh and Lafayette are close by they will do but if I have to send Suzy to penn state main campus she will need a free Obama car and don’t forget the Shell gas station credit card in the glove compartment.
Bernie this is your party——gotta love it. Isn’t this what America is about.
there was a debate?
why bother watching, it will be decided by 40 people in a straw poll bullshit session in some small state
What a cluster F... A pox on all of these yahoo's. Biden sitting on top of this trash heap and he alone has already weathered all the wannabe's attacks on his record and past. It's over but the rest of these clowns haven't gotten the message yet. What a waste of time and energy and money beyond belief spent by fools.
..."74% of families who don't send kids to college will bail out the 26% who do/did..."
At least those 74% won't be paying twice. Families and students who worked hard and paid their tuition will be expected to pay off other people's tuition bills as well.
Typical pandering and messaging. Bit off more than you can chew? It's OK. Obviously somebody else's fault. Vote for me and I'll take care of it. Even better, I'll create all kinds of government jobs so your "Transgenders in Historical Context and Their Impact on Womyn's Environmental Justice" degree can be put to good use.
This is maybe the most disappointing comments section I've ever read. Not funny or thoughtful. Just sad. Get your heads out of your butts and actually listen to what the candidates are saying. Make an informed, well considered choice. This is an election for president, not prom queen.
Bernie, stop setting the tone for this bullshit. Either stick to local politics where you actually know what you are talking about, or talk about the differences between the candidates policies. If I want a half-baked opinion on national politics, there are plenty of other places I can go.
First of all I’d like to thank you for asking that question, Bernie.
So...I BLAME RUSSIA!!!!
lol
The lightning round of the TV game show that passes for “Democracy” was a complete farce.
The damn DNC will install whichever clown they have decided on.
Wake up.
It’s a cruel joke.
“Make an informed, well considered choice.”
Apparently some people still buy this shit, even after 2016.
Go figure.
HEY, let’s not forget about the trans-community.
Wow,yes. The tone was set by Bernie's uber cynicism and then the clown car loaded up and drove this "discussion" right into the wall full speed. Don't come here if you're looking for any kind of real evaluation of national politics.
The campaigns seem to all embrace the Obama strategy, try to buy all the women and minority race votes you can with promises of free entitlements. Pay for it by raising taxes on all the productive members of society. At the same time label everything that Trump supports as racist, anti-women. anti-freedom, anti-democratic. It is simple, but will it work?
@5:21 am
One of these people is going to be the most powerful person on Earth????????
No. It actually could be somebody from the group of 10 tonight.
Or it could be Michael Bloomberg when he enters the race later this year.
I am supporting the guy who wants to stay in Afghanistan for another 20 years.
@9:13 AM
Here’s your “real evaluation of national politics” - it’s a fu_king farce.
GABBARD
I think his name is Beta O'Roroke. Guy is such a wussy.
I watched the first half of The Show last night.About 2 weeks ago I observed a Tulsi Gabbard for President billboard on RT 17 in Surfside Beach S.C.Last I saw 2 Tulsi commercials on 2 different channels .Is something blowing in the wind ?
these dems have no glue most are anti American socialism more taxes killing babies no borders sanctuary cites what a platform Bernie will delete this because he knows
After all the crimes by Obama administration operatives, many still working in Washington, it's hard for me to understand why anyone would endorse Democrat tricks by voting for a Democrat next time around.
Granted, most everyone in Congress is a special interest controlled snake, the stink is heavier on the Democrat side of the aisle. The Republican side is too weak to face the problem because guys like McConnell are indebted to China.
But, the lure of free stuff is strong so the knuckleheads last night will attract many voters.
I thought Spartacus Booker was the biggest drama queen in the race but he has clearly forfeited that position to El Bebeto.
Just wait until wacky Uncle Joe Biden takes the nation by storm tonight.
The fun is just beginning.
Cory Booker with a transgender running mate would be an unstoppable combination.
Lunch Box Joe is gonna bring some comedic relief to the situation tonight.
Gabbard doesn’t have a chance, she was also the best person on that stage.
Pity.
I can’t wait for the Warren V Biden cage match, mano e mano!!!!!!!
That will be worth staying up late for.
The fun is just beginning.
I second everything 8:40 said. It's scary how uninformed most of these comments are
The whole debate reminded me of the circus where the little car comes into the ring and 10 clowns come running out. I wonder if they will use the same auto tonight???
I see the comments as an extremely positive indication that many more people are seeing what an absolute farce national politics has become.
Dems successfully put student loans under federal control and put private banks out of the student loan business (a fact stunningly unbeknownst to Rep. Maxine Waters, who is on a committee investigating the "crisis").
At the time, student debt was $150 billion. Fewer than 10 years following Democrats' "fix," student debt is a staggering $1.6 trillion.
Now, it's another crisis of their own making, and Dems want another shot at "fixing" it. You can't make this stuff up. If you got yourself in student debt you can't pay because you made poor decisions and overspent, that's not my fault; fuck you and the candidates you're supporting to bail you out on the rest of our dimes.
The worst part of this is it is going to occur again tonight. The best part is PBS is running the series "Sinking Cities" and tonight's episode is "Miami". How appropriate.
"This is maybe the most disappointing comments section I've ever read. Not funny or thoughtful. Just sad. Get your heads out of your butts and actually listen to what the candidates are saying. Make an informed, well considered choice. This is an election for president, not prom queen.
Bernie, stop setting the tone for this bullshit. Either stick to local politics where you actually know what you are talking about, or talk about the differences between the candidates policies. If I want a half-baked opinion on national politics, there are plenty of other places I can go."
Clearly, many of the comments are from Republicans out to jab any of the Democrats. Many should be jabbed. I stand by what I wrote. They were very disappointing. I believe that I set the tone exactly as it should be set. I personally don't gove a shit what you anonymously think.
They were the Ten Eunuchs. We have a Dong Zhuo running this country, and we need heroes, not more eunuchs. Only one of that group of ten stood out in any meaningful way. Elizabeth Warren did not. I have seen enough of her know she is likable and sincere, but she is actually scapegoating corporations for everything.
At the current rate, expect to see Trump re-elected.
Warren is the Uber progressive who backed Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders in 2016 and has nothing to say about the DAPL resistance.
Nothing.
Warren was a Ronald Regan cheerleader and a proud republican until 1996.
Warren is a pandering politician who is anything but sincere.
"Also, if your name is José Diaz-Balart and you are an anchor on Telemundo as well as NBC, speaking spanish isn't pandering, it's just speaking."
Fair enough, but the three candidates who used Spanish were pandering.
"Your implication that Trump actually did "drain the swamp" is laughably dumb and contrary to anything resembling reality. He advertised on national television that he is open to being a tool of foreign governments, ffs"
Also correct. He has ripped into the number of federal employees, especially in the state department. This has actually been a bad thing. He has not drained the swamp in the sense of ridding government of elitists and lobbyists. He is America's Dong Zhuo. We do need heroes and last night was disappointing. The only one who stood out to me was Tulsi Gabbard.
The first half of the debate was a joke as the moderators addressed 7 questions to Warren when no one else except Booker had only 2 questions. What was that setup about?
I kept waiting for one of them to challenge why Warren got s the air time. Second part was more balanced. I thought the Spanish speaking stuff was complete bullshit from those pandering to Hispanics. This is America-speak English!!!
Biden praises segregationists, while attempting to defend support for a crime bill that targeted blacks. He's recently flip-flopped on abortion, which targets blacks babies at eight times the rate of non-blacks. I'm starting to think Democrats really have it in for blacks. If they don't head off blacks before they're born, they lie in wait to lock them up for ridiculous non-violent drug offenses. Because diversity, I guess.
Really, Bernie! Tulsi Gabbard? Are you kidding me? I don't get that at all!
I had to turn the sound off every time Warren spoke. Her screechy voice became annoying. Can you imagine that voice for 4 years. This group appears to have been set up so Warren came out the winner. Big mistake. After the so called debate the candidates were interviewed. On this came out. The Demo's appear to know they will lose the Presidential election and are working to get a majority in the Senate. With both houses, they will have some leverage.
Gabbard has the integrity that was otherwise missing from that group of politicians.
It’s painfully obvious that many Dem partisans don’t get it.
So many misinformed people in their FOX bubble respond here. Obama scandals?...I love it. Trump's administration IS the swamp. Yet another of his EPA appointees is being investigated for corruption. Who is vetting these people? This administration has set a record for resignations due to unethical or downright corrupt behavior or don't you all read the actual news reports? And Trump? please...personally profiting from his presidency with his businesses that he refuses to put in a blind trust like all other presidents before him? Refusing to reveal his income tax statements? Give me a break Bernie. TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.
Oh and his latest BS move to prove how much he "honors" the United States, he just gave the Medal of Freedom to Arthur Laffer, father of the Laffer curve and its discredited economic theory.
The Huntress is an excellent example of a partisan who only sees the word from the partisan perspective.
Hooray for my team.
It’s looking like Trump will be staying in the White House.
Will the Democrats blame Russia again?
Are We experiencing the Sarah Palin phenomenon all over again ?
It’s the guns, stupid.
So 11:53, which of the facts I presented bothers you the most? Which can you dispute with FACTS? Deflection is a poor debate tactic,
Yawn.
The Huntress is as predictable as the setting sun.
Trump 2020
The Huntress seems to have forgotten that Secretary of State Clinton turned Libya into a pile of ruble then walked away.
Huntress, I agree Trump is the very swamp he vowed to eliminate. I failed to make that point clear in my story. I dispute none of the facts you cite. What you see are the sophomoric defenses of those who defend him, no matter what. He is a disgrace to the office. He is actually a disgrace to humanity. And he will win against the clown show I saw last night.
I like Warren and agree with much of what she says. But her views are too simplistic. Corporations are not the root of all evil. It's a bit more complicated. I do admire her passion but do not think she can beat Trump. She said nothing to inspire, even with the debate hosts unfairly allowing her to monopolize the conversation during the first hour. We need to elect someone who can defeat Trump. I doubt Warren has that ability.
I also liked Castro but I believe he's more suited to a wonk role. He does not inspire.
Tulsi Gabbard, the one I liked most, has no real base of support.
O'Rourke was poorly prepared and a bit of a bullshit artist.
DeBlasio was a stereotypical rude New Yorker. We have one of those already.
Trump is a dumpster fire, and the Huntress is a predictable partisan Democrat.
Ship of Fools in a debate hosted by network fools. Dems tripping over themselves offering left-wing giveaways to the masses. They are poker players who keep pushing more freebie chips to the middle of the table. They are wooing privileged college students who took out loans they don't want to pay back. Good life lesson. Borrow money, but then don't worry about paying the debt. Then Medicare for All, which will destroy our health care system and double our national debt. And let's giveaway some reparations for blacks and LGBTQ folks for suffering that 99% of taxpayers had nothing to do with. "Money for nothing.. " is the Democrat theme song. Overtax the wealthy, who have earned their money, and give it to people who have paid little or no taxes. More money in their pockets to spend on iPhones, Netflix and cannabis.
Libya??? You mean the multitude of investigations that turned up nothing. You gotta do better than that. Clinton Foundation, not for their personal gain and started AFTER he was out of office.
Let’s talk scandal.
Warren was an unreconstructed Nixon supporter.
I am deleting deflections about Clinton. They are not running.
The craZy klown show will be playing again tonight ill be watching alex joneses commentating in the klown mask.
@1:25
No.
I mean the destruction of Libya’s infrastructure and much of the rest of the country, turning it into a smoking pile of rubble.
It’s a small thing, unless you’re Libyan.
“We came.
We saw.
He died,
Ha, ha, ha.”
Warren backed Clinton over Sanders just two and a half years ago.
It’s completely relevant.
The crime bill was a success, it dropped violent crime for years after being implemented, It basically put people in jail for life after 3 violent crimes, three strikes and out, it worked, it did not target blacks, it targeted violent offenders.
Trump is wretched. But he was still a better option than Hillary. Trump didn't win, as much as Ds lost by running her. Give the country a better option this time. The current group is more progressive than Obama - the recoil to which was Trump. Gabbard is a D I'd gladly vote for. Something tells me I'm not alone. The other candidates are beyond ridiculous and will be worse choices than Hillary. I wonder if the party has already decided to run a sacrificial lamb and regroup for 2024. It doesn't seem serious about beating Trump.
Trump! Landslide! The Russians are going to make us vote for him again!
Beto would be a great co-host for Rachel.
The jackass is the clowns mascot, let that sink in a few minutes.
Even taxing the 1% at 70% doesn’t Move the needle toward all the giveaway programs this group of politicians want to hand out. They are clueless how to pay for all this & reporters to press them to provide the answer. All fluff stuff—no meat!
Hahnaman Hospital just closed trying to serve the needs of the Medicaid/Medicare community as an inner city hospital serving the poor. This would be just the tip of the iceberg if the hospital system had to survive on only payments from government without the higher corporate insurance program payments that 85% of people use who get insurance through their employer.
Healthcare only broke for the uninsured which is only about 15% so if it ain’t broke for 85% then don’t try to fix it for everyone that doesn’t need it fixed. Those big bad corporations that Warren talks about just happen to be the same people that care of their employees providing health care & great jobs to raise their families & retire in comfort.
As a Law professor who managed to get filthy rich while only briefly being a practicing attorney, I can see why Elizabeth Warren wants tax payers to pick up the tab for college loans.
https://money.cnn.com/2015/01/08/news/economy/elizabeth-warren-wealth/
So much for the Beto hype.
Adios.
The winner???
#MAGA#KAG
TRUMP2020!!!!
Game Over!
We will all soon see how our governor votes, for or against state senators and reps. Collude with the criminals or be no part of them and walk away like in Whitehall?
Bernie stick with local and dont become a national circus carnival stick we have all seen a national televised circus, and like sands through the hour glass so is it like the swirl of the toilet flushing in the days of americas life?
humanist by design
4.06
so for the 49 million people without insurance you can just let them die?
specially colored dumpster at the hospital for them perhaps?
When i see those politicians(mostly republicans)who foam at the mouth over a needy kid getting a hot meal turn that same cost cutting to the defense department you might just be able to take care of uninsured folks.
The f-35 program is estimated to cost 3 trillion over it's lifetime and the aircraft does not do what it is supposed to do.
the makers of that plane wanted another 40 billion to fix the problems.
imagine you buy a new 150 thousand dollar car and the exhaust is blowing in the car and the dealer says "we'll fix just give us 5 thousand more".
How about adopting say the way Germany buys drugs for it's citizens.
They have drug companies submit bids for a years supply for all of Germany.
German citizens pay the same price for a drug anywhere in Germany.
Seems buying in bulk benefits the citizens.something missing in the US.
There are plenty of ways.
The US is a superpower in the world and no American citizen should want for healthcare,housing,and education.
the dems are socialist baby killers city destroyers no borders the destroy America party
It’s the Heritage Institution’s ACA that’s left 30,000,000 uncovered and millions more underinsured.
Thanks Obama.
Of course you could blame the Republicans, but that would be a lie.
Bottom parties are owned by BIG INSURANCE.
Both parties worked to destroy any single payer option. The Republicans are just more upfront about sticking it to the middle class.
Booker is a wholly owned subsidiary of BIG PHAMA. Every bit the corporate whore that any Republican is.
Well let’s see.
Did Warren, Biden and Booker vote for the Trump Defense Budget?
Well golly, it seems that they did.
6.01
then supporting Comrade trump along with three Democrats would be a bad idea.
Guess all four can be sent home
5.57
"Of course you could blame the Republicans, but that would be a lie"
So the republicans were trying to make sure everyone had health insurance?
perhaps in an alternate Universe
”
Well let’s see.
Did Warren, Biden and Booker vote for the Trump Defense Budget?
Well golly, it seems that they did.”
Biden has not been in the Senate for 10 years. I question where you get your “facts.”
6.01
Biden voted for Comrade Trump's defense budget?
must have been an alternate Universe.
Obamacare covered those in the gap. I am sure it can be tweaked or improved. One option is to force all employers to cover insurance rather than only those with over 50 employees.
6.25
Booker voted for the defense budget Warren voted against
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/08/02/40-senate-democrats-join-gop-send-717-billion-military-spending-bill-trumps-desk#
"Overall, the 2019 NDAA will hike military spending by $82 billion. The Intercept's Alex Emmons has noted that with $80 billion a year, you could make public colleges and universities in the U.S. tuition-free."
I stand corrected.
Warren and Booker, along with 139 House Democrats, voted for Trump’s $717 Billion National Defense Authorization Act NDAA.
Bill Clinton killed Aid to Families With Dependent Children.
Consider this a correction.
President Barack Obama signed the budgets with the largest cut in the US Food Stamp Program, SNAP.
Obama's shim will come out of nowhere and be nominated by the DNC after the clown show as the front runner against Trump. Than there will be a dick measuring contest to start off the national festivities showing the freeks and geeks!
9/18/17
Warren votes for a “Defense” budget that’s higher than the budget Trump requested.
Warren is the worst candidate as she is not likeable much like Hillary. She looks to be unhinged. Trump running against her would solidify his re-election so I guess I should root for her to rise to the top of dem list.
40 Senate Democrats voted for Trumps Military Budget.
That’s inconvenient.
Um, you initially stated that Warren, Biden and Booker voted for it. Biden was not in the Senate and Warren voted No. By the way, are you suggesting that Democrats must vote against a military budget simply because Trump wants it? That's ridiculous.Many Democrats, myself included, believe in a strong military. Get your facts right before spewing nonsense.
Trump was the winner last night and did not have to say a word.!
Lol. Likely right.
Oh yeah, Booker's really slummin' it. And neighbors say he's seldom seen there.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kamranrosen/2019/06/25/where-the-top-democratic-primary-candidates-call-home/#41119a4024a3
"The only one who stood out to me was Tulsi Gabbard."
I'm with you Bernie. You don't have to agree with Tulsi Gabbard to recognize she's a disciplined warrior with genuine integrity.
TRUMP the business person will beat everyone of the politicians if he does not pity the country
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