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Wednesday, May 02, 2018

Pa CD-7: Both GOP Candidates Pledge Allegiance to Flag ... and Trump

Marty Nothstein (L) and Dean Browning (R)
Last night, Republicans Dean Browning and Marty Nothstein participated in their one and only debate at Palmer Tp's Brown and Lynch American Legion before about 100 angry Republicans fueled by free meatballs and soft drinks (booze was available, but these are Republicans) First, they all solemnly participated in a heartfelt prayer from Bob Kilbanks, who really whipped himself into a frenzy. After that, the mood was still somber as the Pledge of Allegiance was piously recited by outdoorsman Teg Hughes, who humanely traps and removes skunks and other vermin for businesses and schools. (He never got me).  A 21-gun salute had also been planned, but had to be canceled when it dawned on organizers that the audience might mistake it as an attack from Mexico and respond by blasting away with the guns that each and every one of them was secretly carrying.What followed was a night in which both Browning and Nothstein took turns repeating another kind of Pledge of Allegiance, except this one was to Donald Trump.

Sharbell Koorie (Daddy's Place) was the DJ
My impression is that Browning was more polished and prepared than Nothstein. For example, Nothstein was unable to say what legislative initiatives he'd propose if he won, explaining that he's concentrating on getting elected first  It's bizarre that someone would run for the legislature and have no idea what measures he'd like to promote when he gets there. But Nothstein won the debate. He was better at going for the throat than Browning and had better one-liners.

Believe it or not, stark differences between these two candidates emerged during a lightning round conducted by GOP Chair Lee Snover. I suspect this is an idea she stole from the NextGen America debate conducted a few weeks earlier by the Democrats. Asked to name country music stars, Nothstein rattled off a few names. Browning was stumped. This drew some gasps. That's almost as bad as taking the knee during the national anthem. This continued when Nothstein said he went to Emmaus High School, while Browning mentioned one in Ohio. What really did Browning in was where he gets his coffee. Nothstein said wherever he could, while Browning answered Starbucks. Brown and Lynch nearly lynched Browning after that response. Nothstein got Ron Angle's vote and a few laughs when he said his favorite talk show host is Ron Angle.

His Eminence, Ron Angle, was my
bodyguard (photo stolen from Ed White) 
Nothstein's competitive fire erupted at times during the debate. Right off the bat, he corrected a moderator who mispronounced his name, in a touch of arrogance  That hurt him a little. But he nailed Browning later, when candidates were permitted to question each other.

Browning, in negative mailers, has repeatedly associated Nothstein with Wayne Woodman. Wayne is a gazillionaire and a Republican who has low regard  for Donald Trump and never supported him. Browning noted that 20% of Nothstein's money comes from Woodman family members. He asked why Nothstein would take this money from someone who despises The Donald.

Nothstein answered that he and Woodman have many differences, and Trump is one of them. But, as he explained, "You're running against me, not Wayne Woodman."  He called attempts to tie him to Woodman "guilt by association." "My opponent has Wayne on the brain," he said to laughter.

Browning and Woodman have been enemies for years, and I suspect this colored Browning's judgment. He really does have Wayne on the brain.

The meatballs flowed freely
When it was Nothstein's turn to question Browning, he hammered him. He noted that Browning has contributed significant sums to moderate Republicans over the years. People like John Boehner, John McCain, Mitch McConnell and Charlie Dent. "How can you say you're going to drain the swamp when you feed the swamp?" he asked.

"I haven't given to Dent in some time," answered Browning.

"2016?" Nothstein continued, noting that Dent has received $20,000 from Browning over the years.

All Browning could say at this point was that he is "extremely disappointed" in Dent.

Browning also fell flat at another point in the debate, when he accused Nothstein of  "going around in circles, like in a bicycle race." 

Nobody laughed.

Instead, Nothstein dismissed Browning's shot by saying he'd race him.

Both candidates insisted they were early Trump supporters, but both admitted that they initially supported Ted Cruz. Nothstein said he could "be trusted" to vote with Trump while Browning called the orange Wonder "our last best chance."

LWV debate - Candidates were questioned about the League of Women Voters debate, scheduled for tonight, that Nothstein decided to boycott. "I oppose blatant gerrymandering," he explained, but said the lawsuit should have been filed sooner. He added that the LWV supports too many liberal issues. "It would not be a fair debate," he concluded.

Browning called the new districts a blatant overreach by the Supreme Court But he said that the republican candidate has to draw some independent and Democratic votes to win. "We do not serve ourselves well by preaching to the choir," he argued.

Speaker of the House. - "I can tell you who I don't want to be Speaker of the House, and that's Nancy Pelosi," said Browning, which resulted in the largest cheers he received.

DACA.- Both oppose DACA until a wall is in place and sanctuary cities are abolished. Even then, Browning would refuse to grant citizenship. Nothstein would grant it.

$20 trillion debt.- Congress has been "kicking the can down the road" with increased spending, said Nothstein. "America does not have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem," he concluded.Browning said "[w]e need to stop spending more than we take in revenue." His solution is zero-based budgeting and a reform of social security disability, which he claims has tripled.

Border Security. - Nothstein argues that weak borders have led to increased drugs and human trafficking. Browning explained that enhanced security could be attained by freezing the funding  to sanctuary cities.

Special interests. - Both candidates  said the best way to avoid the influence of  special interests is by getting in and getting out. Browning pledged to serve no more than three terms. Nothstein said he would not be around for long.

Comey. - Both said the former FBI Director should be prosecuted and jailed.

Rising Student Debt. - "Nothing is free in this life," said Browning. He'd resolve the problem by removing the federal guarantee. Nothstein said he'd push for lower loan rates. He said many people should consider a trade as opposed to a college education. "We need more welders and not philosophy majors," he observed.

Abortion. - Neither candidate supports Planned Parenthood. Browning is opposed to abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Nothstein appears to be absolutely opposed. "I will fight for unborn children every single day," he vowed.

School shootings. - Both are opposed to increased gun control, except Nothstein would support a ban on bumpstocks. Both agree the real problem is mental health, and Browning said federal law should be relaxed to permit more accurate background checks. Both oppose raising the age to own forearms to 21. Nothstein asked, "You can fight for us, but can't go to Dick's Sporting Goods to buy a firearm?" Both oppose bans on assault style rifles.

Obamacare. - Both support a full repeal.

Both Republican candidates appear to be very conservative and well organized. Unfortunately, Democrats are spending their money fighting each other.

48 comments:

Anonymous said...

As they should.

Make America Great Again !!

Anonymous said...

So healthcare is just the old repeal Obamacare. No substance on the how to control costs of our completely broken system.

They also fear the NRA and scream for more Mental Health,. Of course I doubt they gave their thoughts on how they will pay for it with their zero based budgeting.

Boldly moving backwards, pandering to a whiter, cheaper America of 1950. The Republican Party is selling a dream that doesn't exist and will eventually mean their end.

Anonymous said...

John wants to ban hundreds of legal guns.
John does not want to take your guns , he just wants to ban them.
Ok.

Anonymous said...

All Hail Trump! The guy is a disaster, yet the lemmings will follow him over the cliff.

Anonymous said...

Unemployment at record low
Consumer confidence at near record high
SCOTUS promise kept with Gorsuch
Corporate tax cut promised and delivered
Billions in corporate retained earnings being repatriated
Personal tax cut promised and delivered
Illegal immigration declining dramatically
Deportations steady - although not as high as Obama years
ISIS destroyed in eight months
Peace talks in Korea
Partnership with France and England to respond to Assad/Russia in Syria

I think Trump's a stupid, vulgar piece of shit. But facts are facts. Scoreboard ^

Anonymous said...

Bernie Sanders will be here shortly to teach the Democrats how to campaign. Not to worry.

Anonymous said...

I did not see bernie there, good thing he had the pic or I would not have believed it, I am surprised they let you in, they will have to up their security next time.I would say a fair report, Republicans will pick who they think can beat Wild.

Anonymous said...

If Morganelli looses maybe just a few more tweets will get Trump's attention. MATA .. JM can use Make America Twwet Again. He is the Dem's hot mess

Anonymous said...

The real question is who will be county chair. Sounded last night like Snover is leaving.

Kevin F. Danyi said...

Bernie, thank you for your fair and accurate reporting on last night. Although there were a few minor personal issues, in my estimate (I was there), it was almost wholly a policy-based debate. This is exactly what is needed to inform voters of where candidates stand and what they propose to do.

Anonymous said...

"So healthcare is just the old repeal Obamacare. No substance on the how to control costs of our completely broken system"

The plan is to pass a two thousand page bill and read it later to see what's in it. It's precious when Obamacare nuts who made a bad situation worse by passing a huge bill that nobody read suddenly demand details.

Anonymous said...

I see one lemming watches Faux News. Most accomplishments either false or out of context or not the result of Heir Trump.

Anonymous said...

Best way to fix health care, get the government out, let the market rule, let there be competition and let there be more nurse practitioners. Let the the people choose what kind of insurance coverage they want, not what others think they need. Providers need to list their prices in public like everyone else. establish clinics for the homeless and uninsured, where they pay a flat rate when they walk in the door. tort reform. Never national healthcare.

Anonymous said...

Agree. Obama cut taxes and defeated ISIS in just eight months. He also fostered Korean peace talks. He lowered black unemployment to historic lows. He wore mom jeans and threw like a girl. But these accomplishments can't be denied.

Anonymous said...

Remember when Trump air lifted billions in cash to religious crazies with nuclear weapons? Remember when Trump drew a red line and turned and ran from Syria? How soon these Trumpsters forget.

Anonymous said...

8.22
as to healthcare the US is the last remaining superpower on this earth.
every citizen should not have to do without healthcare.
argue how to get it but believing that some Americans can do without healthcare is just insane.

Anonymous said...

i wonder if those candidates will change their tune when Comrade trump gets nailed for obstruction and other crimes.
a sad day when republicans are fighting to pledge loyalty to a guy that pays porn stars.
yep the party of family values

Anonymous said...

Trump can tell Mueller to go pound sand. He's the President and Mueller works for him. He should go fishing around Hillary and find the real collaborators with the Russians.

Anonymous said...

"Trump can tell Mueller to go pound sand."

So why doesn't he? Why hasn't he already? I think Trump is too scared to do it. Trump was too scared to serve in Vietnam. Mueller nearly got himself killed there fighting for America. Does that tell you how this saga will eventually end?

Anonymous said...

Yes it does. Trump will be re-elected in 2020. MAGA

Anonymous said...

"Trump will be re-elected in 2020"

Geez, I didn't know you could run for President from jail or from exile in another country.

Anonymous said...

Dream on. It's the economy, stupid

Anonymous said...

he "I LOVE Bernie" pins and bumper stickers are over the top.

Anonymous said...

shame they did not invite diamond and silk--that way at least two black people would be in the crowd.
not that they are racist it just seems there is a shortage of minorities at the event.
at least by the crowd photo

Anonymous said...

" ... as to healthcare the US is the last remaining superpower on this earth.
every citizen should not have to do without healthcare."

Ah, another one confusing health care with health insurance - or, purposely interchanging the terms. A wounded cop shooter gets the same level of care as the cop he shot. That's the law. Obamacare was not health care reform, it was insurance reform done by politicians who accept piles of money from insurance companies and aren't required to have Obamacare. How'd that work out?

Bernie O'Hare said...

Kevin Danyi, Thank you for the compliment.

Anonymous said...

This is a crowd that has been fed their talking points by Russian bots. They are angry and scared of the modern world. They want someone to blame for their troubles.

This is about fake facts not the reality of life.

Anonymous said...

10:57. I'll tell you what Obamacare did for my family. In 2016 I was covered under a corporate plan that cost me about $200/month for Blue Cross Blue Shield. Then they cut most of us and outsourced our positions to India. 2017 after about a year, I was able to get an hourly position and had to wait 2 months for health coverage. Well, what was 2 more months when we had just gone without for 13 months, right?

Well 2 months later we're ready to sign up for the new plan. Thanks to Obamacare the fucking thing is $1,200 month, SIX FUCKING TIMES AS EXPENSIVE

You can take your Democratic Obama Government health care and shove it up your ass.

Anonymous said...

I am a law-abiding citizen, a veteran, a productive tax payer and I belong to the NRA .
I have nothing to be ashamed of. I am going to sit out the primary and vote for the Republican who doesn’t want to violate my Second Amendment rights.

Anonymous said...

I'm pulling for Susan Wild to win the Democratic primary. She's enough of a communist nutcase that should appeal to the Democrats. That will guarantee a Republican wins this gerrymandered 7th district which was done by the courts so the democrats get a majority of congressional seats in Pennsylvania for the 2020 election.

Anonymous said...

How can anyone not support our President? He wants to teach the Russians a lesson by pulling out our troops from everywhere. Let them try to protect their personnel and those bases we built. See how easy it will be for them to control the Middle East and European countries after they rig those elections.
I'm willing to pay more because of tariffs and his strong stance on Nuclear War as an option shows the world you don't mess with President Trump. I'm already looking into a buying a coal burning stove because when all the mines are back in operation it will be cheaper than those stupid solar panels, as if I believe the Chinese lie of global warming. Let's get started with drilling Alaska Wilderness, already! So much oil there with only stupid polar bears in our way (I've cleaned my gun in preparation for unlimited hunting to remove the pests) and with more land mass being exposed in the Arctic there are more natural resources available there, as well.
My grandkids can worry about it later. Ungrateful little bastards, anyway.
Trump is a genius who only puts on an act of an inept egotist to confuse our enemies! Keep America Great Mr. Trump! You've done it in less than 3 years! KAG, baby!

Anonymous said...

"He wants to teach the Russians a lesson by pulling out our troops from everywhere. Let them try to protect their personnel and those bases we built. See how easy it will be for them to control the Middle East ..."

Uh, that's what Nobel Peace Prize Recipient Obama did, no? La Grande Orange forged a coalition and cleaned up the mess left by Barry, Cankles, and Mr. Heinz. How soon we forget.

Anonymous said...

3:26

Building your resume for the next White House Correspondence dinner?

X said...

Bernie, I hardly understand what I've redd let alone what I've written. Judging from the pics I am hoping you and the stiffly savior were the antagonists of this party favor delemiaz pander as positive$. Cross the party for this vote hare.
I see the assklownZ have hammered this blog thread for there face paint REmnantZ when ugly can't be covered nor washed off because itZ a inCUREable soul sickness that infects pandererz.
republican redd
humanist by design
not a party favor

Anonymous said...

When did ISIS end?
So you are standing by saying there is no ISIS?

Anonymous said...

Exactly what are your second amendment rights?

Anonymous said...

Ya, who, rally the troops, lets get it on.

Anonymous said...

Did Obama force insurance companies to raise their rates? Did Obama force big Pharmaceuticals to increase drug costs by hundreds of percentage points?

Anonymous said...

Kinda. He traded insurance companies volume for pricing and never delivered the volume. They had jump offs and took them. Bad law passed badly.

Anonymous said...

These two will support the president right through the sentencing. Anyone associated with General Lee will go down in flames.

Anonymous said...

Is it too late for Ron Angle to get in the primary?

Anonymous said...

"Providers need to list their prices in public like everyone else. establish clinics for the homeless and uninsured, where they pay a flat rate when they walk in the door. tort reform. Never national healthcare."

Just wondering what is the flat rate for a homeless person?

Anonymous said...

Health care is no longer within reach of most families due to expense and scientific advancement. Health insurance is obsolete and why all the other developed nations have dropped it. The profit motive in healthcare holds your family hostage to your ability to pay for it. That is no way to live in a modern country. Health Care must become a fundamental right.

Anonymous said...

Marty = empty suit

Anonymous said...

This is easy. Vote D in November and stop the insanity of the Trump so-called administration. We need more Dents and people to work across the aisle to compromise, not more right wing whackos.

Anonymous said...

Right after their pledge to the flag and their Führer they left the auditorium goose-stepping to Horst Wessel Lied/ Die Fahne Hoch all the way to Loews to buy tiki torches for the next rally! :-) :-)

Anonymous said...

Marty Nothstein believes in NO diversity! Just look at his commercial. Hanging out in a barn with all his white male hunting buddies or coaching all white suburban children how to ride a bicycle. So naturally, everything he will be supporting is slanted towards the white male land owner.

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