On Tuesday, Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren spoke passionately in favor of things like Medicare for All, free college and the Green New Deal. But when people promise things that sound too good to be true, they usually are. Fairy tales are nice to read, but pragmatism is what works. Biden's centrist views are more appealing to me.
As good as Kamala Harris was in her first debate, that's how bad she looked last night. Her attempted attacks on Biden failed, and the former prosecutor found herself in an unfamiliar role as a defendant when combat veteran Tulsi Gabbard lit into her.
Gabbard, who looked very good in the first debate, was even better last night. While most of her barbs were aimed at Donald Trump, her takedown of Harris's role as California's AG was epic.
As Harris squirmed and shook her head, Gabbard eviscerated her as someone who jailed people for marijuana possession, but then laughed when asked if she ever used it.
"[S]he blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of California. And she fought to keep cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way."
"The bottom line is, when you were in a position to make a difference and an impact in these people's lives, you did not. And worse yet, in the case of those who are on death row, innocent people, you actually blocked evidence from being revealed that would have freed them until you were forced to do so. There's no excuse for that."
This unemotional and fact-based style was apparent in her limited opportunities to speak.
Harris has been touted as Biden's VP candidate, but Gabbard would be better.
83 comments:
ScreamFest.
Come on Bernie Joe is senile, everybody go to Joe30330.
I'm not sure why you think Biden won this debate, other than you just agree with him because you are both old and afraid of change. There were no less than three times that he was in the middle of sentences that appeared to be building to a climax before he abruptly cut himself off.
Gabbard launched a good attack at Harris, which I've been waiting for someone to do, but Gabbard's own agenda is still a bunch of vague platitudes, and a sizable chunk of her supporters are youtube conspiracy theorists.
I believe the big winner of the last two nights is our illustrious President, Donald J Trump. Let's keep on making America great!
Gabbard is the best of the bunch by a country mile.
Why, though? I genuinely do not understand why people find her appealing.
Anyone other than C9omrade Trump from "Operation Chaos", is appealing. This was a better debate than the first night. One of these people would make a better candidate than the first night. Why? Because this debate featured people who understand that unless you win you cannot implement any policies. Yelling and waving your arms just scares people, stop it please
The best thing about these debates is they are over. The next debates will not have all the hanger ons and we can get down to business.
Also when will these candidates stop taking the pandering bait from the panelists. Refuse to answer yes or no questions and if the question is stupid, say so. It is OK to say I don't agree withy the premise of your question. Period!!!
12:52 Agree!
Trump is superior to all the democratic clowns
We continue to set more records. Largest trade deficit in US History. Largest debt in US history. The largest pay gap in US history. Hate crimes are up and a morally bankrupt presdident who leads by insult and division. Any one of these candidates would be better than this failed nation experiment called donald trump.
Now that I've watched all the Democrat candidates perform live and under pressure (except those CNN favorites given a pass) I don't see anyone that could handle the job of American President better than Trump.
On the international stage, most of these Dems would be ignored or laughed at. That should be obvious.
Tulsi Gabbard would clean up with Independents and defeat Trump in a laugher. Thank God she doesn't have a chance. Trump beats any of the others.
Any of them would be presidential vs the grifter, liar, cheater, con artist reality TV dud who currently poses as president
"I'm not sure why you think Biden won this debate, other than you just agree with him because you are both old and afraid of change. There were no less than three times that he was in the middle of sentences that appeared to be building to a climax before he abruptly cut himself off.
Gabbard launched a good attack at Harris, which I've been waiting for someone to do, but Gabbard's own agenda is still a bunch of vague platitudes, and a sizable chunk of her supporters are youtube conspiracy theorists."
Biden won last night (and Tuesday) bc he countered his detractors and, in some cases like Booker, gave it back. Yes, he did flub a few times and delivered no zingers, but by no means looked senile.
As fir Gabbard, you haven't read enough about her. One thing she is not is vague. Actually, I disagree with her isolationist view of foreign policy, but she is infinitely preferable to the current occupant of the WH.
I believe she would be a great running mate for Biden.
"Why, though? I genuinely do not understand why people find her appealing."
Did you watch the debate? If you did you'd understand.
Trump and all these Democrats just blow sunshine up our colons, while pretending we're not $22 trillion in debt and at 105% debt-to-GDP. Let's keep fighting endless wars and promising free shit to everyone while we open the borders to people fleeing violence in Honduras - which has a lower murder rate than Baltimore. Our new country is great.
"Now that I've watched all the Democrat candidates perform live and under pressure (except those CNN favorites given a pass) I don't see anyone that could handle the job of American President better than Trump.
On the international stage, most of these Dems would be ignored or laughed at. That should be obvious."
I'm embarrassed that he's our President. He has already made us a laughing stick in international circles.
Any of the Dems running, except possibly Williamson, would be better.
If you watched the debate, you know this is untrue. Gabbard, who actually is a combat vet, spoke quite eloquently about endless wars. Biden made pretty clear that he opposes open borders or free shit for everyone.
Biden's biggest asset is that after the election is over many of us believe that he can actually govern if he wins. He certainly didn't show last night that he is an exciting candidate who will inspire the progressive left wing of the Democratic party but he does give the impression of having enough experience, reason and stability to serve as the President in a more traditional style than Trump. God help us all if the Democrats nominate an ideological left wing firebrand who will be full of "wonderful" impractical proposals that have zero chance of being passed through Congress and implemented. If the party platform includes ideas such as more "free" benefits and reparations for slavery and the proposed method of funding these things will be to tax "the hell out of the rich", the Democrats might as well Fed Ex reelection to Donald Trump right now as one of the debaters suggested.
Gabbard is the best looking democrat out there, she may be running for vice president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaDpHGMW1E
Joe Biden finally stayed on script as the least radical of the contenders and therefore the most electable.The Democrats would be well served changing the name Medicare For All to a less radical phrase to explain the program.
The democrats are all and I mean all are jackasses.
"The democrats are all and I mean all are jackasses."
I have had enough of these blanket condemnations. Unless you are specific, I will be deleting you.
Tulsi Gabbard makes me a believer again...I love this country.
Biden DID appear not to have full use of his mental faculties. Beside his mumbling and fumbling, he couldn't complete a line of thought and referred to Booker as "president" and "president-elect." Cannot understand why you thought he won the debate. He is over the hill.
Definitely, Biden is past his expiration date. This election will depend on whether the electorate wants real change or back to pro-Trump. I'm betting this is a change election...Warren has a good shot if it is.
Meant PRE Trump...damn autocorrect
If by "winner" you mean which candidate made the best of the time given them, it's not really close.
Tulsi made the best of what she was given with no close 2nd in the race.
It's sad that Clinton clipped Joe 4 years ago and boxed Bernie out handing Trump a easy victory, what's happening to Joe now is a disgrace...he could have gone out on top...Harris is shameless, with a character much worse than The Donald.
Local politicians should retract their support of Harris before they are to closely associated with her style of dirty politics.
Gabbard is the best choice Biden Gabbard ticket 2020
I prefer individual town hall meetings over media spectaculars Meetings where each candidate has a chance to interact directly with people themselves. These kind of media super events are like lightening round TV game shows. Not very informative.
90 % of the questions asked were not answered. Moderators must keep the candidates on task. Cut their mick's if they resort to there prepared talking points. Lemon is clearly a racist moderator. Lets have the candidates publish their plans on medical and immigration. Then we can make a more balanced decision of whom we believe will be the best choice. No more kicking the can down the road with unkempt promises.
LVCI
The format is dogshit, CNN is fake news, but we have a combat soldier that adapted and overcame these obstacles to expose the quisling in the ranks.
Biden will be flogged for being a racist. They're not finished with him yet. A party that made John Morganelli out to be Pat Buchanon during a primary isn't going to easily dismiss a black woman for an old white guy.
Biden is over, the party needs a progressive. Gabbard is terrible and she won't make it to the final debates anyway. Warren/Harris 2020!
democrats are anti America no borders killing babies poor foreign policy more taxes medical insurance for everybody payed by more taxes green new deal which is so stupid you must laugh sanctuary cities should be outlawed they are not against our federal laws the dems hate the police including ICE the dems if elected will ruin the economy in no time crime will increase so fast your head will spin just look at your democratic controlled cities Baltimore is one example democrats are more dangerous to us than Russia china and iran together. IF you vote foe democrat you are anti America vote trump make America great and sent the democrats back to socialistic countries they think are so great and that is not racial that just way it should be
Williamson/Zirinski 2020
Anon 1:27,
Basket weaving in ten minutes. Then you get your pudding.
A sycophant for a murderous dictator? No thanks, Tulsi.
Plus, go read her egregious comments on gay people.
Trump is superior to all the democratic clowns
Trump is a blowhard who lucked into office because of clowns like you.
Love Joe but sadly age has caught up with him.
2:08PM
Nice try...a fake reporter, Bari Weiss, from the failing fish wrap New York Times, tried that contrived attack from the bogus left...not going to work.
~shalom~
The government is broke. Many of its citizens have trillions saved in retirement instruments, however. Democrats want at that damm money to continue playing Santa at election time. It's why money gets taxed multiple times already. Nothing is free. Taxing the rich at 95% doesn't make a dent. There's an enormous pool of money held by the private sector. And Democrats need it because it's the only money there is.
”A sycophant for a murderous dictator? No thanks, Tulsi.
Plus, go read her egregious comments on gay people. ”
Wonder why you fail to mention that Tulsi has apologized for statements she made as a much younger person and now works for LGBTQ rights.
As for Assad, her point is that she opposes regime change wars and rejects vilifications that later turn out to be untrue. I personally consider him a monster.
2:10 read 1:27 pm you vote for those type of people and you call people who vote for Trump a clown you must be a real idiot...
"As fir Gabbard, you haven't read enough about her. One thing she is not is vague. Actually, I disagree with her isolationist view of foreign policy, but she is infinitely preferable to the current occupant of the WH.
I believe she would be a great running mate for Biden."
Have you been to the Issues section of her website? All it has is basically a few selected quotes about each issue and links to bills she cosponsored. There are no plans for new policies or even specific problems she hopes to solve. A considerable portion of it is dedicated to explaining why she thinks Assad didn't actually use chemical weapons.
Being a veteran has very little to do with the quality of president you will make, and to the extent that it is a credential, it is one that is shared by Pete Buttigieg. Some of our best presidents were veterans, but so were some of our worst (Tyler, Taylor, WH Harrison, A Johnson). And her argument to end "regime change wars" is effectively meaningless because no military action is justified by regime change unless after it happens (see Iraq, which was initially justified by attempting to link the country with 9/11 and by claiming it had WMDs). In fact, the way her campaign is spending money is in itself an exercise in poor management. I drove through northern NH a few days ago, and Gabbard was the only candidate foolish enough to spend money on billboards on rural state roads that almost nobody uses.
It is also important to understand that the reason she is embraced on the right is that she is a Democrat who is fully willing to say "Robert Mueller found that there was no collusion between Trump and Russia" despite the fact that Mueller explicitly contradicted this in his report, and to appear on FoxNews whenever they call her up.
12:52
By the way, it's cool that Biden opposes open borders, but that is also true of every other candidate. Civil offenses are still illegal.
Mueller never did find collusion between Trump and Russia. That is a separate issue from whether Russia attempted to influence the election. You must not be a very good reader.
Also, I find her website to be just as informative as so-called top tier candidates likeHarris.
The reality is that she was articulate and at times eloquent in both debates. I consider her superior to most of the Dems.
2:10 Trump got into office because a lot of good people saw Clinton as a very bad leader--so called leader
Anybody but the sexual predator, tax-cheat draft-dodger, criminal we have 2020!
"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted
a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of 'collusion.'" – Mueller report page 10
You said "Mueller never did find collusion between Trump and Russia." That is true because he did not evaluate the evidence in light of "collusion". This does not mean the same thing as "he found no collusion."
Put another way, if you go into the kitchen looking for an apple and when you come back your friend asks if you found any pears, you might rightly say, "No, I wasn't looking for pears."
If you return and before being asked say "I found no pears," this implies you looked for pears and didn't find any.
Mueller wan't looking for pears.
So, who's not a very good reader?
6:52
He found no collusion. You distorted one sentence out of a two-volume report to say what you hooped Mueller would have, but didn't, say. You are a bad reader and illogical as well.
Trump 2020, Pence 2024 & 2028. Let's do our part to keep on making America great!
Loved the way Gabbard took down that self-righteous Harris. Her pity me jags got old real fast. Her record as a DA is not something to brag about.
"We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term." -Robert Mueller before Congress 7/24/19
What's the confusion?
democrats are anti American--no borders more crime killing babies -late term and even after birth-- governor of virginia and new york state among others they will put the country in a depression with their economic policies they are anti police and ICE taxes will go up big time but every thing will be free medical college day care etc.
We should all be VERY concerned and preparing now for TDS2020. Some citizens of this country will be in dire need of psychiatric counseling if not outright placement in a secure facility for their own safety.
Trump Detachment Syndrome is going to hit the MAGA crowd hard in 2020. Please start reaching out to your elderly white neighbors now and do what you can to ease them into the coming reality. Encourage them to cancel cable or at least block the "news" channels, all of them. In certain cases it might also benefit them to minimize their internet usage and stay away from their Facebook circle jerks.
Bernie- I cant understand how you can even entertain anything any of these leftist believe. They make Obama seam like a conservative, which I thought I would never say. But my favorite YouTube host is named BCP. MY FAVORITE! Look him up and watch him. But you probably won’t listen more than ten seconds to him, showing that you are the racist and not me. I listen to him first thing every morning, before I listen to other news segments. BCP - this guy is spot on. Hint “B” stands for black. Watch him you may learn something.
"He found no collusion. You distorted one sentence out of a two-volume report to say what you hooped Mueller would have, but didn't, say. You are a bad reader and illogical as well."
No, I lifted that sentence directly from the report. If you want, I can copy the whole page. You clearly didn't read the thing or listen to his press conference. He did not assess whether there was evidence for collusion because it is not a legal term. It doesn't really have any specific meaning.
Get over yourself, and stop watching FoxNews. It's killing your brain.
(Before you tell me to stop watching msnbc, I should tell you that I don't get cable, so I don't watch any of the 24hr news channels.)
-6:52
FOX NEWS IS THE ONLY REAL NEWS ON TV THE REST IS FAKE NEWS---only the left wing radical dems watch the fake news. those dems are anti American and should get out of this great country that will make this country even GREATER...
People who watch FOX News are at extreme risk of experimenting with lying with others of the same sex! My grampa was caught doing naughty stuff with another grandpa in the activities room at their retirement home.
Trump got the liberal lefties to buy The John Birch Society jingo.
Best salesman job in history, and did it all while using the very media he himself declared is the citizens worse enemy. His supporters chant with bellowing pride, "CNN SUCKS, CNN SUCKS" and his detractors deep down know it's true.
President or not his greatness is revealed.
I consider her superior to most of the Dems.
Other than her consorting with what you called, checks notes, "a monster".
He is a monster and my approach would be much different. I nevertheless understand what she did and why. She explained it several times. She would rather engage an enemy peacefully than embark on another regime change war.
Consort - habitually associate with (someone), typically with the disapproval of others.
Habitually - by way of habit; customarily.
Donald Trump met with Rocket man twice as many times as Tulsi met with Assad.
Is Trump Consorting with Kim?
If you are leading a nation, any nation, the ability to be a "monster" is a prerequisite...I think Harry Truman said that.
Bernie, she actually hasn't explained why she met with Assad. She explained why a President should meet with hostile heads of state. She didn't do it as president, she did it as one of 435 House members who can't do jack diddly about our relationship with Syria by meeting with the maniac who leads it, and also apparently has no interest in helping the hundreds of thousands of people his murdering. Many representatives are outrageous buffoons who I am surprised can manage to even find their offices each day and should not be doing this sort of thing. Can you imagine if Devin Nunes or Louie Gohmert took it upon themselves to go meet with foreign leaders and what kind of message that would send to the world?
It was wildly irresponsible at best.
i Think she was doing her job.
Being a Democrat for 56 years and a super voter, what I had seen and heard for two nights I will definitely vote for Donald Trump....
" But my favorite YouTube host is named BCP. MY FAVORITE! Look him up and watch him. But you probably won’t listen more than ten seconds to him, showing that you are the racist and not me."
Be they white or black, male or female, Fox or CNN, I watch no talking heads. I read five newspapers a day if possible. I do not have time for video, unless it is an important speech or debate. Reading is much quicker and it sinks in. Enjoy your opium.
"Can you imagine if Devin Nunes or Louie Gohmert took it upon themselves to go meet with foreign leaders"
They don't have the balls.
"she actually hasn't explained why she met with Assad"
An active duty Army Major, current member of the House Of Representatives, and former MP hasn't explained the mission with sufficient detail for you and your speculation is that she's there to surrender our position in Syria?
"It was wildly irresponsible at best."
For all you or I know the visit could have been and intelligence gathering mission on Assad's logistical capabilities.
Uh huh. Yeah. They sent a sitting member of Congress to go on a secret intelligence gathering mission. Let's go with that.
My speculation isn't that she was there to surrender anything. I don't think she had any particular goal in mind. I think Assad suggested a meeting, and she said "why not?"
Assad really wanted Gohmert, but Gohmert with his superior training and expertise out smarted Assad.
She's Active duty, do you think she ran it by her commanding officer and he said "why not" too?
There is no opium there new drug of choice is flakka, they zombie walk around the internet screaming I need flakka I must have flakka!
So, THAT'S it, Bernie! You claim to get most of your knowledge from 5 newspapers. Every one of them, I'll bet, is heavily dependent on big corporate (globalist) news conglomerates. Open borders, cheap labor types.
Obviously, Morning Call and Express Times are on your reading list. They and any other selections are lifting their content from the same few places. Those being AP, CNN, New York Times and Washington Post. Yuck!
As you often demonstrate, the BEST investigating and meaningful reporting comes from small, independent journalists. Your efforts in breaking down local dealings is unsurpassed. Outstanding contribution from you. Unfortunately, your understanding of national/world affairs not just limited, but jaded.
“She's Active duty, do you think she ran it by her commanding officer and he said "why not" too?”
Untrue. She is National Guard.
9:30, both NYT and WaPo are independently owned, and the AP is a nonprofit that operates as a co-op.
Ok, let's put it this way . . . Globalist controlled. In the case of Washington Post, that's all Jeff Bezos (Amazon).
The point is, truth today is more likely to be uncovered by following internet-based, smaller house, investigators. People who uncover things and don't have to look over their shoulder in order to keep their day job. Many don't even fear losing advertising sponsors.
Full, bonafide, unedited and REAL documents displayed in their entirety! Amazing the type of incontrovertible evidence to be found!
"Untrue"
You are correct, at the time of the meeting she was and still is National Guard.
In late 2014 she was activated
Gabbard was called up for activation by the Hawaii Army National Guard to support their assistance to Hawaii County's response to the ongoing Kilauea lava flow.
At that time Gabbard, 33, serves as a Military Police Captain in the Hawaii Army National Guard. During this time, she was unable to accept media requests or make public statements related to her official congressional duties.
Approximately 1 year later she was promoted to Major and she continues to serve as a major in the Hawaii Army National Guard.
If Biden is their best this country is in trouble.
12:46PM
Joe Biden is a good man... despite being and old white guy. My conservative tendencies are not totally offended by Joe, although he would not be my first choice.
Harris on the other hand is trouble writ large.
If Harris hasn't already set up the charity her leftover campaign funds can legally be washed through, she should get on it, the DNC should buy her out as soon as possible.
Is Trump Consorting with Kim?
YES! And its an absolute disgrace. (Kim is playing Trump like a fiddle.)
Being a Democrat for 56 years and a super voter, what I had seen and heard for two nights I will definitely vote for Donald Trump....
Of course you will because Trump plays on the fears of white geriatrics. Many many of our grandparents and parents have been warped by Fox News.
If Biden is their best this country is in trouble.
It would be infinitely better than having Trump, a clown from TV, leading this nation. Not that he has "led" anything except cash to his businesses.
12:19PM
"(Kim is playing Trump like a fiddle.)"
First, words have meanings. And second, Trump doesn't amount to a fiddle.
Trump is not the Emperor, he's the Emperor's clothes.
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