I have a friend who owns a Tesla. He outs more miles on the road than most because he has to attend meetings at night as well as hearings before magisterial district judges. Over the past 31 days, it has cost him $10 to charge his vehicle.
There’s something to it. I’m on my second full electric, a Hyundai (returned the Bolt as part of the GM recall). Costs me about 4 cents a mile if I charge at home. When I was renting, the cost was nearly 15 cents a mile for gas.
The deal I got on the Hyundai included two years (!) of free fast charging on the Electrify America network. Closest one to me (the only one in the immediate area) is the Cedar Crest shopping center at Tilghman in SWT. So for the past couple of months I’ve been charging for free and…racking up Giant points for a discount on gas.
Bernie I think you misheard your friend. Depending on physical location and the model Tesla he has, it costs btw/ $10 - $25 per charge. If it only cost him $10 for the month, that means he drove under 250 miles for the entire month, which is the range for a Tesla on a full charge.
Still cheap, except that you have to factor in how much more the car costs and that in certain areas (like California), you're told not to charge your car in the summertime since the grid is so unstable.
"Tiny forgotten detail. How many miles and hours did he drive?"
I neglected to ask him, but assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that he was using the Tesla to commute and go to the hearings I mentioned. That would be 200-250 miles per week.
"Bernie I think you misheard your friend. Depending on physical location and the model Tesla he has, it costs btw/ $10 - $25 per charge. If it only cost him $10 for the month, that means he drove under 250 miles for the entire month, which is the range for a Tesla on a full charge.z"
He showed me a screen shot of his usage over the past 31 days from his Tesla app. I neglected to ask miles.
Yes, the battery is the most expensive item, but maintenance on an electric vehicle is far less involved than with gas or diesel for the simple reason there asre fewer parts. And yes, the manufacture of an electric vehicle is not environmentally friendly, but the operation is.
Without a doubt electric cars are great for the environment, but as it stands just not practical for the average "joe shome" As we transition to full electric all this is doing is adding extra load to our grid which increases demand. Before this becomes "real" we need to find a way to produce clean renewable energy. Electric cars need to come down in price, longer range etc, we are on the way but it is no where close. Foreign relations is huge deal but if we are serious we need to start prepping now for the future. Why are we sending billons of dollars world wide? Lets offer rebates, deals for solar roofing for businesses, homes etc. Making laws banning fossil fuels makes us "feel good" but until there's is an option and a real plan and its ready, Americans is not the way to go.
As a Tesla owner, the "replace the battery" comment is heard alot. These cars should go about 300K miles. So, that has to be taken into consideration, and I would hope that battery replacement or rebuild would get more efficient and less expensive as we go. Same with enviromental concerns. Musk is all about being somewhat green and reusing materials.
As for the 2500 charger, not sure what that reference is for. I bought the charger from Tesla new for 500, charge rate of 44 mph for my long range vehicle. And another 400 for installation. Tesla Model 3's are still in the 40K range used (I bought used 2 year old model last year), so they are comparable to the price of other vehicles.
I have never analyzed my costs, becuase I have an all electric house, and switch rates as needed using the electric energy market. Too many variables.
I have no idea why people would object to someone's decision to buy an electirc vehicle, especially when these same people claim to live freedom and think that even a mask requirement is onerous.
Here's a link that rebuts some of the myths about EVs. https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths
I think there is a physics law that it takes so much energy to move so much weight a certain distance. I am a skeptic when I hear about reports of these laws being found no longer valid.
I know lots of people who have all electric homes and claim they only pay $100. a month, I don't believe them.
We need more scientific proof than these statements.
I have searched and have yet to find any reliable information on the cost of charging these vehicles. I know they are 440 volts. They are not your cell phone. I think my toaster uses more energy than these accounts.
11:10 @ 11:43, I have Met Ed - Your inquiry made me check my utility bill and you’re right, it was calculating based on an out of date “service charge” and not including “distribution charge”
The more properly calculated numbers would be 422kWh, $52 electric v $227 gasoline = $175 saving. Give or take.
In this case the error was on my part, not theirs.
"If you're not driving electric, you're spitting on the environment. Even the poor need to sacrifice to save our planet. It's for the children."
Didn't Paul Pelosi just get arrested for DUI and was driving a Porsche? Is the speaker of the house's husband spitting on the enviornment? Can he afford a TESLA? Eager to hear you condemn him. As always I bring the receipts below and of course used a left wing outlet.
My car has low range battery and I charge it on 120v every night. A decent home charger is 220v. Only the rapid chargers at a public station will use 440v.
Our society and infrastructure is no where near able to handle everyone driving electric cars. In California they can't even keep the lights on for most people without needing to do rolling outages. Imagine if everyone had to rely on an electric car?!?
These anti-ev comments are getting more and more ridiculous. You are throwing up sheer nonsense in a bid to ensure the earth remains flat. The infrastructure will some as more and more evs are purchased. Right now, there are more and more charging stations popping up. There are two at the courthouse. There are no gas pumps there.
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wait till he needs to replace the batteries.
That's damn cheap...
No worries, Biden will fix that. ;)
Did that include the $3000-$5000 dollar charge to install the $2500 Tesla Charger at this wealthy attorney's McMansion?
Tiny forgotten detail. How many miles and hours did he drive?
There’s something to it. I’m on my second full electric, a Hyundai (returned the Bolt as part of the GM recall). Costs me about 4 cents a mile if I charge at home. When I was renting, the cost was nearly 15 cents a mile for gas.
The deal I got on the Hyundai included two years (!) of free fast charging on the Electrify America network. Closest one to me (the only one in the immediate area) is the Cedar Crest shopping center at Tilghman in SWT. So for the past couple of months I’ve been charging for free and…racking up Giant points for a discount on gas.
Bernie I think you misheard your friend. Depending on physical location and the model Tesla he has, it costs btw/ $10 - $25 per charge. If it only cost him $10 for the month, that means he drove under 250 miles for the entire month, which is the range for a Tesla on a full charge.
Still cheap, except that you have to factor in how much more the car costs and that in certain areas (like California), you're told not to charge your car in the summertime since the grid is so unstable.
"Tiny forgotten detail. How many miles and hours did he drive?"
I neglected to ask him, but assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that he was using the Tesla to commute and go to the hearings I mentioned. That would be 200-250 miles per week.
"Bernie I think you misheard your friend. Depending on physical location and the model Tesla he has, it costs btw/ $10 - $25 per charge. If it only cost him $10 for the month, that means he drove under 250 miles for the entire month, which is the range for a Tesla on a full charge.z"
He showed me a screen shot of his usage over the past 31 days from his Tesla app. I neglected to ask miles.
"wait till he needs to replace the batteries."
Yes, the battery is the most expensive item, but maintenance on an electric vehicle is far less involved than with gas or diesel for the simple reason there asre fewer parts. And yes, the manufacture of an electric vehicle is not environmentally friendly, but the operation is.
Without a doubt electric cars are great for the environment, but as it stands just not practical for the average "joe shome" As we transition to full electric all this is doing is adding extra load to our grid which increases demand. Before this becomes "real" we need to find a way to produce clean renewable energy. Electric cars need to come down in price, longer range etc, we are on the way but it is no where close. Foreign relations is huge deal but if we are serious we need to start prepping now for the future. Why are we sending billons of dollars world wide? Lets offer rebates, deals for solar roofing for businesses, homes etc. Making laws banning fossil fuels makes us "feel good" but until there's is an option and a real plan and its ready, Americans is not the way to go.
In the past month I spent $25 on electric to charge 422 kWh. The equivalent amount of driving would have cost me $227 in gasoline.
This is according to Tesla’s calculations and I assume it is slightly skewed in their favor but the numbers comport with my wallet.
-Tesla Driver
11:10 AM
"In the past month I spent $25 on electric to charge 422 kWh. The equivalent amount of driving would have cost me $227 in gasoline."
If I calculate correctly, that's $0.059/kWh.
Who do you buy electricity from and how does it get to your house?
As a Tesla owner, the "replace the battery" comment is heard alot. These cars should go about 300K miles. So, that has to be taken into consideration, and I would hope that battery replacement or rebuild would get more efficient and less expensive as we go. Same with enviromental concerns. Musk is all about being somewhat green and reusing materials.
As for the 2500 charger, not sure what that reference is for. I bought the charger from Tesla new for 500, charge rate of 44 mph for my long range vehicle. And another 400 for installation. Tesla Model 3's are still in the 40K range used (I bought used 2 year old model last year), so they are comparable to the price of other vehicles.
I have never analyzed my costs, becuase I have an all electric house, and switch rates as needed using the electric energy market. Too many variables.
But you forgot the biggest charges coming down the pike
1. Huge yearly registration fees
2. $ per mile driven tax
3. battery replacement charges/recycling charges
Just wait and see hoe Environmentally friendly these are in 5 years
If you're not driving electric, you're spitting on the environment. Even the poor need to sacrifice to save our planet. It's for the children.
I have no idea why people would object to someone's decision to buy an electirc vehicle, especially when these same people claim to live freedom and think that even a mask requirement is onerous.
Here's a link that rebuts some of the myths about EVs. https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths
I think there is a physics law that it takes so much energy to move so much weight a certain distance. I am a skeptic when I hear about reports of these laws being found no longer valid.
I know lots of people who have all electric homes and claim they only pay $100. a month, I don't believe them.
We need more scientific proof than these statements.
I have searched and have yet to find any reliable information on the cost of charging these vehicles. I know they are 440 volts. They are not your cell phone. I think my toaster uses more energy than these accounts.
11:10 @ 11:43, I have Met Ed - Your inquiry made me check my utility bill and you’re right, it was calculating based on an out of date “service charge” and not including “distribution charge”
The more properly calculated numbers would be 422kWh, $52 electric v $227 gasoline = $175 saving. Give or take.
In this case the error was on my part, not theirs.
2:16 PM
Let's post a link from the government to support the government's position on things that counter the government's position. Brilliant!
Math doesn't add up. So I call bullshit on your little story. Or you and I have VASTLY different ideas of what alot of driving is.
"If you're not driving electric, you're spitting on the environment. Even the poor need to sacrifice to save our planet. It's for the children."
Didn't Paul Pelosi just get arrested for DUI and was driving a Porsche? Is the speaker of the house's husband spitting on the enviornment? Can he afford a TESLA? Eager to hear you condemn him. As always I bring the receipts below and of course used a left wing outlet.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/29/politics/paul-pelosi-arrested-dui/index.html
My car has low range battery and I charge it on 120v every night. A decent home charger is 220v. Only the rapid chargers at a public station will use 440v.
Our society and infrastructure is no where near able to handle everyone driving electric cars. In California they can't even keep the lights on for most people without needing to do rolling outages. Imagine if everyone had to rely on an electric car?!?
These anti-ev comments are getting more and more ridiculous. You are throwing up sheer nonsense in a bid to ensure the earth remains flat. The infrastructure will some as more and more evs are purchased. Right now, there are more and more charging stations popping up. There are two at the courthouse. There are no gas pumps there.
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