Friday, December 17, 2010

Angle Vows To Appeal Braxton's Ruling in Will Dispute

It's a bad Friday for Ron Angle. According to The Morning Call and Express Times, a Philadelphia judge has ruled that ruled that a Will offered for probate by Angle in connection with his father's estate, is invalid.

The Will offered by Angle was prepared by Ron's wife, Sharon. She testified that she saw Fred Angle, Ron's father, sign it. But unlike most Wills, this one fails to include the signature of witnesses who saw it signed. I have been unable to review Judge John Braxton's ruling, but will do so.

Judge Braxton, pictured with this post, last year ran for Controller in Philly.

Angle actually contacted me about the ruling, and has vowed an appeal from the Court of First Guess, all the way to the court of Final Error.

Fred Angle's daughter-in-law had urged the Judge to accept a Will drafted a few weeks before, and used Angle's housekeeper, Debbie Vallone, as her star witness.

I'll have more to say about the star witness and the opinion next week, after I've read the ruling and track down some details.

86 comments:

michael molovinsky said...

bernie, please elaborate on why courts which rule against ron angle are "first guess" to "last error", while courts that may rule against referendums, such as gracedale, are guardians against mob rule and bastions of justice?

Anonymous said...

Hasn't Bernie written here that Joan Angle is murderess ? Isn't Bernie now implying that Braxton is a partisan Democrat ? Isn't Bernie going to write that Vallone got kicked out of the public housing for not reporting income ? But you won't see Bernie write about Ron Jr being arrest for theft in New Jersey. Doesn't Ron Jr. have some involvement in this mess ?

Anonymous said...

Angle says "**** them all"


Where is Bernie's rant about how disrespectful that is towards the courts. That is something that a "thug" would say. He has no respect for anyone, therefore he deserves what he gets.

I guess you will take until next week to put your spin on this, because you can't deny that he in fact forged the will!!

Anonymous said...

Bernie

Ron will appeal, this from WFMZ.
In all seriousness
Does this rise to the level of the Karoly incident?
I don't think Morganelli is Rons best bud, he would file if it was as bad.
Please a detailed answer would be nice.

Anonymous said...

YOu mention first guess and final error and that he will defend himself on local TV, but what is the defense and the supposed error? Are the Angles claiming there was a witness? What is the significance of who the judge is? Why is there a picture of him?

Anonymous said...

COME ON BERNIE!!!! You will comment more in the future. You know first hand as to what is going on, you just need to come up with some BS to cover for your buddy and that is why you need the time! You are as phony as Ron Angle

Anonymous said...

"Please give us a detailed answer". Congratulation on the post of the week.

Asking Bernie O'Hare to give an honest unbiased account of this Ron Angle Will incident is harder than getting an accurate account of the Third Reich from Joseph Goebbels.

You made my day anon. Yes by all means Bernie tell us the terrible twisted law that was used to treat poor Mr. Angle so unfairly. While you are at it tell us again how this wonderful County Council not only voted to make and keep him their President but allowed his personal attorney to serve as "their" solicitor.

Oh what a tangled web we weave unless you are a sociopath then everything is just fine.

Wendall Holmes

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the post of the week award. I just want to keep it civil as Bernies delete button has been mightier than the sword lately.

and color me stupid here but

I know Sir walter Scott said the first part of your quote, did you add that second part or is that a mashup from
OWH

rhetorical

Anonymous said...

I too am troubled by PL representing Bernie and council and some other cases he has taken lately. (See BPD) I always thought of him as a good lawyer. Times are tough all over I guess. Gotta go where the money is.Too bad for him.

Anonymous said...

Bernie.....stop being so quick to run to Ron's defense. You really are beginning to look pathetic!

Anonymous said...

Greed. Unmitigaged, unadulterated greed, pure and simple. He couldnt stand only getting 3/4s of a likely already depleted estate. He wanted it all.

Man of principle that he is, his conscience couldnt allow the disabled adult son of his deceased brother from getting 1/4 of the estate. What a horrible thing that would be.

What further injustice will be heaped upon him? The Register's decision was biased. The out of County judge's decision was bizarre. (Is senility a factor in this decision as well?)

He will take this sacred quest for justice to the highest court of the land.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, are the votes there to retain him as President of Council? Will they be a spineless group indifferent to the embarassment of having this compromised package of goods as their fearless leader or will they finally have the courage to say enough is enough of this mean spirited, ethically challenged despot. He is immune to the concept of shame. Their failure to act will tarnish them with even greater shame for their failure to act.

Anonymous said...

Hey anon 11:39
tell us what you really think

Bernie O'Hare said...

"bernie, please elaborate on why courts which rule against ron angle are "first guess" to "last error", while courts that may rule against referendums, such as gracedale, are guardians against mob rule and bastions of justice?"

MM. I have since law school referred to courts of first impression as the court of first guess, and have referred to the Supreme Court as the Court of Final Error. I stole both of these expressions from President Judge Schuster, who taught civil practice and procedure.

I will note that, except for you, all the negative attacks at Angle are anonymous. And you at least chose to criticize me, not him.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Hasn't Bernie written here that Joan Angle is murderess ? Isn't Bernie now implying that Braxton is a partisan Democrat ? Isn't Bernie going to write that Vallone got kicked out of the public housing for not reporting income ? But you won't see Bernie write about Ron Jr being arrest for theft in New Jersey. Doesn't Ron Jr. have some involvement in this mess ?"

I have not accused Joan Angle of murder, but have stated that Fred Angle had his suspicions.

I have not accused Judge Braxton of being a partisan Dem, but have noted that he ran for Controller in Philly last year.

As far as Joan Vallone is concerned, I will write nothing until and unless I am sure and that it is relevant to this matter.

What happened to Ron, Jr, and he is presumed innocent in any event, is legally irrelevant in this matter. And yes, Ron Jr witnesses the signature and Sharon Angle prepared the will.

Bernie O'Hare said...

" guess you will take until next week to put your spin on this, because you can't deny that he in fact forged the will!!"

There is absolutely NO evidence that he forged anything, and making such an accusation is reckless. In fact, the testimony is that Angle knew nothing about this will, whcih was prepared by Ron's wife. I realize you'll call her a crook, to, but not to her face. She is a good and decent woman and that is who you are really smearing.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"I too am troubled by PL representing Bernie and council and some other cases he has taken lately. (See BPD) I always thought of him as a good lawyer. Times are tough all over I guess. Gotta go where the money is.Too bad for him."

This is a legitimate concern. Lauer is only one of several attorneys used by Angle, and I see no conflict, as a matter of law, in his representing Angle in the will dispute.

But it should be avoided bc it just opens Angle up to more attacks.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Ron will appeal, this from WFMZ."

That's nice, but I mentioned it as well and in fact that's my title.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Man of principle that he is, his conscience couldnt allow the disabled adul"

You're in no position to talk about "principle" when you're too cowardly to identify yourself.

Bernie O'Hare said...

Godwin's law at work. "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches." The first person to make fallacious Nazi comparisons loses.

Bernie O'Hare said...

I've decided I'm not going to delete the vicious anonymous smears this weekend. You look more foolish when I leave them up.

Yes, Angle took a hit. No, he has not been accused of forgery or anything close to that. And no, I am not attacking the judge who ruled against him, and have not done so.

But I believe Sharon Angle. It is her testimony that really matters here. And I know Angle has issues on appeal.

Anonymous said...

Will Ron Angle man up on the phony will or will he let his wife and son take the fall? Knowing his history, I believe Ron Angle will let his wife and son take the fall. He has never maned up to any of his past transgressions, why start now.

You know Bernie the only pathetic appearance here is your ability to ignore facts when people like Angle or Stoffa are involved. That in and of itself is indeed entertaining.

Poop Ron he is so persecuted. I guess it must be a global conspiracy against this ethical and moral giant.

The Holy Man

Fly on the Wall said...

HA! HA! HA! HA! The king has no clothes!

Anonymous said...

say what you want about Ron, but Mrs. Angle is a good woman.

Fly on the Wall said...

John M. Morganelli will have the last word on this!

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Will Ron Angle man up on the phony will"

Why don't you man up and identify yourself? Too pusillaniomous, perhaps?

Anonymous said...

The noose is tightening and Morganelli is going to finish him off.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"You know Bernie the only pathetic appearance here is your ability to ignore facts when people like Angle or Stoffa "

Actually, I think more people are turned off by people who smear others anonymously.

Bernie O'Hare said...

The "noose" comparison is apt bc you have the mentality of a lynch mob.

Bernie O'Hare said...

Fly on Shit, Haven't heard from you since you claimed McHale was going to crush Stoffa.

Fly on the Wall said...

There is lots of turds out there to live off of!

Anonymous said...

This is a difficult weekend. The High Fuhrer, El Presidente for Life Maximus Angle has called a meeting at the "Sheep's Lair" to strategize the scandal. He has summoned Propaganda Minister O'Hare and Uberfuhrer for Appearances of Democracy Stoffa.

Much will be discussed. Fortunately for Maximus, O'Hare has idea's. The problem is Uberfuhrer Stoffa keeps falling asleep.

"I have it says Maximus", Uberfuhrer Stoffa will announce he is harvesting the organs of the seniors at Gracedale and I will oppose it. I will have the Northampton County Reichstag pass a motion written by Minister O'Hare condemning and stopping the action.

I will again be the beloved Leader!!

Expert from a double agents diary.

Anonymous said...

Interesting Morning Call article, the Staties won't comment on the ongoing investigation. That sounds scary to me, I wonder if it sounds scary to Ron.

Anonymous said...

I forgot

In a related article
The detention center will be all the way over in New Jersey
That probably will be an inconveniece for Ron.

Wayne said...

Bernie O'Hare said...
"I've decided I'm not going to delete the vicious anonymous smears this weekend. You look more foolish when I leave them up."
-----------------------

Yup, I'd say so...

Anonymous said...

Hey Wayne, whats a matter a teabagger darlin is a hypocrite. I guess you will have to vet your heroes a little more carefully. That or just read the newspaper archives.

The history of Ron Angle is right there in black and white.

Anonymous said...

I have a question. When quotes are used is it not customary to use qoutation marks to show the EXACT words of the individual being quoted?
Yes I thought so.
I get both the Easton Express and the Morning Call daily. Both papers ran the "will" story. Both papers used quotes from Ron Angle. The quotes were different. The Express, I charge, sanitized the verbiage for Rons benefit. They had him quoted as saying "my Dad" , the Morning call which I tend to believe in this case, used the original quote which read "my Old Man". It is truly amazing how a word can indict someone. How a word can lead to misinformation being diseminated throughout. Maybe the Express should rename themselves
quote" THE FOX NEWS EXPRESS" unquote.

Wayne said...

See... there they go looking foolish already.

1) Ain't got no stinkin' heroes...

2) I'm fully aware of Mr. Angle's history. Don't have to read the archives, read it as it occurred.

3) Because I support him and the majority of council on this current issue, the sale of Gracedale, that makes Angle no more my hero than when I might agree with any other politician.

So anon 6:03, feel free to continue looking foolish. How about telling us your why you have a problem with your neighbors speaking out against government debt and spending. Go ahead, don't hold back...

Anonymous said...

gov spending

how about extending the tax cuts

for the wealthy

130 bill

890 bill total UNFUNDED

wheres the outrage

crickets

from the tea party

congrats

youv'e been hijacked

Wayne said...

The income tax rates established in 2001/2003 have been extended for two years. The same tax rates that were in effect for the last 8 years will still be in effect. Practically all economists agree that a tax hike would risk a "double-dip" recession.

But it looks like this upsets you. Care to explain?

Wayne said...

Anonymous 10:09 PM said...

"youv'e been hijacked"
----------------------------

If you have a point to make you should discuss it.

But of course it's much easier for you to say that somebody has been hijacked, co-opted, or bought. Never discuss the issue if you can't defend it, just hang a title on your opposition.

Here, let me illustrate. If I suspected you of harboring Marxist ideas I could engage you in a conversation and explain to you why the free market is superior to centralized planning. But if I didn't have the intellect to argue the point I could just say that you're a "useful idiot" of the Marxists. You've know... "you've been hijacked."

That's why you "argue" the way you do.

Anonymous said...

This "will" story illustrates why so many people are dubious of anything Ron Angle proposes. Also why people are suspect of any policies advocated by Angle, his stooges on county council and his handpicked County Executive.

It is no wonder the Gracedale folks in their fight for freedom have collected 22,000 signatures and are still going.

God Bless true freedom. God save us from frauds and phonies

Anonymous said...

Track down some details?

Aren't copies of the signatures on the competing wills going to be shown, as promised months ago?

Where is the legal argument on his behalf?

An attack on the credibility or bias of anyone who does not agree with his position is apparently all we will hear.

Even the use of the anonymous identity, countenanced implicitly in the Comment section and expressly by the owner herein in the past, is now a reason to discredit an opinion. "Cowardly"

Then 90% of the posters on all subjects are cowards

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Then 90% of the posters on all subjects are cowards"

Incorrect. There is nothing wrong, per se, with anonymity. But 100% of all posters who hide behind anonymity to launch personal attacks are cowards.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"This is a difficult weekend. The High Fuhrer, El Presidente for Life Maximus Angle has called a meeting"

Godwin's law at work again. The first person to make a Nazi analogy loses.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"the Staties won't comment on the ongoing investigation. That sounds scary to me,"

Yeah, that must be some "investigation." They've contacted neither Angle nor his wife. He must be shaking in his boots. What this really amounts to is an unethical attempt by a lawyer to gain advantage in a civil proceeding by using the criminal process.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Hey Wayne, whats a matter a teabagger darlin is a hypocrite."

Like I said, these haters look more foolish when I leave their hate up for the world to see.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Maybe the Express should rename themselves quote 'THE FOX NEWS EXPRESS" unquote.'"

Um let's see. The ET recently ran a story about Angle's participation in the pension plan, even though that is old news and was written about at least a year ago. The ET broke the story about Ron, Jr,'s shoplifting arrest. The ET reported Jackson's police complaint, leaving all kinds of room open for wild speculation.

After all this, the ET is accused of trying to present the facts about Angle in a favorable light? Angle is so pissed at them right now that he hung up on Sarah Cassi.

Sounds to me like the ET is doing its job.

Anonymous said...

this ruling puts ron angle's honesty and integrety into question , how can the people of northampton county have any confidence in anything he does ? i think he should be removed as council president, the people can no longer trust this man.

Anonymous said...

one would think that ohare is shaking in his boots as much as angle. What's ohares future without angle? but then, who really cares

Anonymous said...

anon9:15


except for the amusement factor of course

Bernie O'Hare said...

"this ruling puts ron angle's honesty and integrety into question ,"

I will wait until I see the ruling, but I doubt it. For one thing, Ron did not even know about this will and had nothing to do with his preparation. His wife did that, and I haven't heard one person accuse her of anything improper. The news accounts abut the ruling make no reference to fraud either. But I'll wait until I actually read it before condemning someone, unlike the lynch mob.

Fly on the Wall said...

I knew Ron would throw his wife under the bus if he did not get his way, but you to BO!

Anonymous said...

it is not condemnation to say this ruling brings his qualifications to serve as council president into question ? someone did some swindling or tried to swindle the rest of the family out of what was rightfully thiers and if we want to point fingers at angles wife , then surely ron knew about it they are man and wife and the man was his dad. comon were not that stupid.

Anonymous said...

oh yes you are

Anonymous said...

then i guess the judge is to ....

Anonymous said...

According to O'Hare the world is stupid. The big three Angle,Stoffa and O'Hare are finally starting to crumble. The sun may actually shine again in Northampton County.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"I knew Ron would throw his wife under the bus if he did not get his way, but you to BO!"

Fly on Shit, I happen to believe Ron's wife

Bernie O'Hare said...

" someone did some swindling or tried to swindle"

If that were true, Angle would be behind bars right now. The reality is that a judge simpy found one will more credible, nothing more, nothing less.

Anonymous said...

Spin, spin, spin the news. Spin it like a web.

Spin, spin and spin again

O'Hare's face is turning red!!!

Oscar Oh So Wilde

Anonymous said...

This wasn't a criminal trial, this just adds to evidence that is being gathered, then when they have enough, charges will be filed, if they don't have enough no charges will be filed. I am placing my bets for the police to win. And Angle to lose by a long Pinnochio nose.
I think though the wrong Angle will be charged. Isn't conspiracy to do things like this punishable by 5 years in prison? I think thats what the druggies and RICO people get.

Anonymous said...

so one of the wills wasn't forged ?

Bernie O'Hare said...

"I am placing my bets for the police to win."

Police don't "win." Or "lose." They enforce the law, as they see it. And they don;t reach conclusions based on the kind of anonymous smears that have been posted here.

Bernie O'Hare said...

"so one of the wills wasn't forged "

Nobody has reached any conclusion that ANY of these wills were forged because they weren't. The question all along has been which will is more credible. There are numerous factors that enter into that equation and that have nothing to do with forgery.

Anonymous said...

Innocent until proven guilty. But the evidence presented so far points toward forgery or something fishy. It's certainly worthy of investigation, especially having taken as much of the court's time as it has. Somebody seems to have been trying to manipulate the system. That shouldn't be countenanced.

Anonymous said...

Angle is not having a good year. I hope 2011 is better for him. He must be missing the old days.

Anonymous said...

Bernie police don't win or lose?

I think you should take into account the daily charges being filed on members of police forces. Because their testosterone driven mentality is clouding their judgement. I wish they would just reveal the nature of the charges against officers who are suspended and fired. I would like that to be part of the deal when they are hired. Since we taxpayers foot the bill for their pay.
Anyway, you get a couple of juiced up nutty officers and dangle the Angle apple in front of them , and it becomes win or lose. They are in it to make headlines and this type of thing plays right into their hands. Unfortunately.

Anonymous said...

Wow, anon 1:29 you can be a reporter on the O'Hare News.

You now float the idea that testosterone fueled crooked cops will go after Angle. I love it. This "Spin Zone" gets better everyday!

Anonymous said...

Yes, the scope of the conspiracy continues to expand. I bet it will ultimately be shown that the Tri-Lateral Commission is behind it all.

And the object of this noble knight's quest is not to find the holy grail. Rather, the goal is justice - keep a disabled nephew from getting $12,000.00.

Pathetic.

Anonymous said...

"What this really amounts to is an unethical attempt by a lawyer to gain advantage in a civil proceeding by using the criminal process."

Wow, an unethical ex attorney calls another (non disbarred) attorney unethical. Now that is ironic!!

Bernie O'Hare said...

Not at all. Those of us who have made and paid for mistakes can usually spot what got us in trouble. What's even more amazing is that three days after this story posts, you are the 68th comment and try to mount a personal attack. A little late, aren't we?

Anonymous said...

There is always room for JELLO
and
A personnal attack on Ron Angle

Anonymous said...

Angle passed on a fake will. whether you want to make it sound like it was a real fake will or a fake fake will, it is fake.

We will see what happens. This is another Angle controversy.

Anonymous said...

Why does Waynes group hate America?

Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, one of the country's most prominent tea party organizations, really seems to despise the Methodist Church, or as he would call it, "the first Church of Karl Marx."

In a recent blog post (subscription required) the founder of Tea Party Nation recounts his recent experience visiting the United Methodist Building in Washington D.C., where saw a promotional banner for the DREAM Act, a failed piece of legislation that would have provided a path to citizenship for some undocumented immigrants who entered the country as children.

I could never belong to a club like that as I happen to be a Methodist

Wayne, here is something to think about before you post next time

"Most people are other people

Their thoughts are someone elses opinions

Their lives a mimicry

Their passions a quotation"



That could be added to Websters as

THE definition of the Tea Party

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:58, you must remember that like conspiracy theory advocates, tea party types need to have a perceived overpowering evil to survive.

The conspiracy theory folks will look to find symbols involved with the Free Masons and/or the Illuminati. If you look at anything with a foregone conclusion, it is amazing how you can make the surroundings fit your "reality".

So it is with the tea party. Many who collect retired teacher pensions, disability, unemployment comp and social security claim that these programs have been perverted, just ask them. They of course "earned" it or "deserve" it but now it is broken.

They say they have been around for some time but really only became visible after Obama was elected. They claim they are not racist yet they carried the voodoo and African tribesman caricatures of Obama. They preach a hate of government based on some idea of fiscal responsibility and limited government. Yet offer no real solutions other than shouted platitudes and Palanism's.

Sadly tough times have always created these types of groups in our country's history. They flourish when people need a "bad" guy or some "villain" or "villains" to point the finger at for all the problems. Most of their advice is usually predicated on sophomoric logic puzzles or "bumper sticker" euphemisms that would be funny if not so many people were taking them so seriously.

For the most part they hold ignorance as some sort of virtue and education as "elitism".

Eventually they will fade away as most of these reactionary type groups diminish as their world ending prophecies never come to pass.

In the meantime the best thing to do is stay on track and don't let all the "noise" distract you from the serious business of government.

Homer

Bernie O'Hare said...

"Angle passed on a fake will. whether you want to make it sound like it was a real fake will or a fake fake will, it is fake."

I have now read Judge Braxton's opinion. He at no time concludes that the Will submitted by Angle is a "fake" or that it is fraudulent in any way. He instead concludes the Will was never executed properly and rules in favor of the most recent will before that one. So you are pretty much full of shit.

Bernie O'Hare said...

The bizarre rants at Anon 7:58 and 8:47 say much more about their author than they do about the tea party.

Anonymous said...

Bernie one of the wills is not a real will. the signatures are different. The Registrar so stated.

Twist and turn it all you want but either the sister-in-law or Angle wrote a will that is phony.

As to being full of shit, I concede based on your blog you are the expert in that area.

Sisyphus

Bernie O'Hare said...

Both of the Wills are very real,and the twisting here has been done by those who insist on forgery and fraud, when nothing like that is even mentioned by the Judge. The differences in the signatures might make one will more or less credible, but that's a far cry from forgery or fraud or even stating that the will is invalid.

I read the opinion while you just throw mud.

Anonymous said...

Bernie can you post the opinion on your site,thanks

Bernie O'Hare said...

I don't have the time right now. Certainly not tonight or tomorrow. Perhaps Thursday afternoon or Friday, but I want to take a Christmas break.

Anonymous said...

Bernie with all due respect.
I don't think it is a bizarre rant when someone is offended by a group that seeks to disenfranchize their chosen religion by making it unconstitutional. This country was among other things founded by people who were seeking freedom to select and obsereve their own religion. This type of rhetoric is the height of hypocrisy. These Tea Party people seem to think the Constitution is some sort of Chinese menu that they can chose only the parts that fit their agenda. All while dressing up as 1776 characters and extolling the virtue of the very document they would dismantle. I am agnostic and wouldn't think of joining a church that didn't allow consumption of meat on Fridays, or forcing people to take instruction from celibate priests on the technique of marriage, anymore than one that by the Tea Party people had accused endorses Marxism. I also wouldn't say lets make that religion unconstitutional. I think you were off base on your comment.
I guess you are obligated since your friendship runs deep with Wayne as he is always on your side on things.

Bernie O'Hare said...

Look, the suggestion that I shade my views to make them more palatable to Wayne or anyone else, is utter nonsense. I've spoken to him once, during a County Council meeting, for all of about 15 seconds. He lives in Nazareth like me, but we have never even had a cup of coffee together. And I have disagreed with Wayne as often as I have agreed with him.

What you are doing, and it is a BIG MISTAKE, is assuming that all tea parties everywhere are alike, and that people in the LV Tea Party are some sort of mindless robots who just recite verses from the Letter of Ron Paul.

I have gone to several of their meetings, as have bloggers Chris Casey and Noel Jones, and we'd all tell you that it is folly to make generalizations about the,m. They do seem whiter, older and more conservative than the norm, but they are engaged and generally very open-minded on most topics. They are certainly far more tolerant than your typical Republican or Democratic committee meeting.

And more than a few of the members are themselves atheists and agnostics.

I view them here in th LV as a grass rots effort to improve government. I disagree that cutting expenses is always the answer, but these folks are getting engaged and involved and I have high regard for people who participate in their government.

One of your fatal flaws is that you always make assumptions about the motives of people. Some people just genuinely care.

The "hypocrisy" argument can be applied to any ideology bc no one is really pure. I could use it against you.

There was a fellow who used to search titles at the courthouse who was a committed Marxist and insisted on getting arrested now and then to give himself credibility with LEPOCO. I once asked him how he could search titles for banks and attorneys and claim to be a Marxist.

"I'm just not a good Marxist," he answered. Nobody can claim to be anything 100%.

So argue the issues, but it's as silly to claim these tea party people are not true as it is to claim a Democrat is not true.

Anonymous said...

Bernie what about that opinion from the judge can you post it.

Bernie O'Hare said...

Note my comment above. Right now, I'm taking a Christmas break. I'll post it, but not 'till after Christmas.

Anonymous said...

"One of your fatal flaws is that you always make assumptions about the motives of people. Some people just genuinely care."

Bernie the above are your own words. I hope you read them again and apply them to yourself. I am not criticizing you but at times the above can easily be applied to your comments. You often do this to anyone who dares disagree with one of your pol heroes like Angle, Stoffa or Dent. Think of your own words before you lose it.

For example on the Gracedale matter you have really attacked people opposed to the sale. As a family member, I heard an excellent discussion by a former County official who believes and backed up with numbers reasons why Gracedale could be kept by the County. Because Angle and Team Stoffa have declared that as wrong you lash out at these people. The one's I have heard have not attacked Angle or Stoffa in their discussions. They just point out that this is an inexperienced Council who's political ideology may be getting in the way of a very important decision that needs to be fully and honestly thought out. Not the meetings where Ron Angle shouted down or interrupted anyone who had an intelligent argument.

Just a few points to ponder. May you and yours have a very Blessed Christmas!

Maria

Bernie O'Hare said...

Dear "Maria" (assuming that is who you really are),

I am well aware of three former County officials - Grucela, Heckman & Seyfried - who oppose Gracedale's sale. I have in no way been critical of them and continue to hold them in high regard. In fact, I posted a complimentary blog about Grucela in recent weeks. People of good will can have different views on an issue.

My wrath is reserved for the Gracedale Goons, a few people like the phony preacher, who have spent most of their time vilifying Angle and any member of Council who does not respond to their bully tactics. They launch vicious anonymous slurs, even when it extends to Angle's family life and children. I have drawn attention to their idiotic behavior and will continue to do so.

I can have a constructive dialogue with someone who wants to discuss this issue on its merits. But that is impossible with fanatics who insist God is on their side, or who claim that the only positive press piece about Angle in the past year must have been written by me,