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Wednesday, December 01, 2010

Unemployment Extension Refusal: GOP's Turn To Play Scrooge

People like me voted for Obama precisely because he promised a more balanced, moderate and bipartisan approach. He also pledged to be accountable and transparent. Tired by eight years of the Madness of King George, we were dazzled by a candidate who could actually inspire us, kinda' like a rock star. He appealed to our better nature, and we elected him.

I still think it was the right thing. On election night, my half black grandson asked his mom for an Obama campaign sign and proudly planted it in his front yard. Thanks to some help from LV Congressman Charlie Dent, a nine-year old boy and his mother were able to attend Obama's inauguration.

Pelosicrats interpreted 2008's election results differently. They deluded themselves into believing they had a green light to shove their agenda, from health care reform to stimulus to cap-and-trade, right down our throats. For our own good, of course. We'd eventually thank them.

What they instead managed to do is to turn public sentiment against them. Instead of negotiating health care reform on C-Span, as promised, the President did it behind closed doors. For our own good, of course. We'd eventually thank him.

What happened instead is the rise of tea party movement, derided by liberal pundits as the Know Nothings of the 1840s. I've attended some of the monthly meetings of this 1300-member movement in the Lehigh Valley, and heard nobody speak about riots. Not even once.

But they vote.

An early indication of their populist appeal is the 2009 municipal elections. Don Cunningham, arguably the most powerful Democratic politician in the Lehigh Valley, was very nearly defeated by ultraconservative Scott Ott, winning by just 862 votes. In Northampton County, all five Republicans running for County Council were elected, something that had never happened since the inception of Home Rule in 1978.

I'm a Democrat who has little in common with the tea party movement, except for their emphasis on transparency, accountability and sound fiscal policy. Unlike them, I believe "limited government" pledges are essentially unworkable. But I voted for four of the five Republicans running for County Council last year. I did so because I hoped that, despite their conservative views, they would work better with Executive John Stoffa than members of his own party.

For the most part, that has happened. Instead of the usual County gridlock, we've had an unusual Council that has worked well together, even with bombastic Ron Angle at the helm. They've accomplished more in their first year than I've seen from any Council since 2001. Despite being extremely conservative, even on social issues, this Council has been accountable and transparent.

Moving from 2009 to the most recent Congressional elections, an energized tea party helped Republicans seized control of the House, and John "Hell No!" Boehner is Speaker-elect. Unlike Pelosi, Boehner has shown a willingness to reach across the aisles, and just yesterday, met with President Obama.

So far, so good. But what concerns me is that, just like the Pelosicrats, some within the GOP now think they have a mandate to be assholes. Nowhere is that more evident than in their refusal to extend employment benefits. A coalition of the nation's leading economists has argued in support of an extension because the money is spent, helping the nation recover from a dark recession.

But that's contrary to conservative theology. So they'll refuse money to people who need it the most. For their own good. At Christmas. We'll thank them eventually.

With idiotic moves like that, Democrats will be back in control of Congress within the next two years. Our job vacuum is our leading problem, and the GOP has just managed to look just like Scrooge.

By the way, Allentown Afterthought's Jeff Pooley has promised to provide a "Dent Watch," but has already dropped the ball by not telling us how Dent voted on this obviously crucial legislation. Dent did the reasonable thing, and voted to extend unemployment.

That's why he gets re-elected. We might have our own extreme views, but what we want are people willing to listen to each other and be reasonable.

58 comments:

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  3. this would have been the fifth time, extending unemployment payments beyond the current 99 weeks. at some point you create a disincentive for people to seek work.

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  4. The unemployment rate miraculously improves when benefit extensions are ended.

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  5. Bernie -

    Let's get our facts straight:

    1) President Obama was not some innocent bystander to any of the legislation that you blame Pelosi and Reid for, he was complicit.

    2) The DEMOCRATS are still in control of both houses of Congress and the White House. If you want to blame anyone for failing to extend the unemployment benefits, blame the Democrats. The Republicans will only control the House, and that won't happen until later - in January 2011.

    3) Extending the unemployment benefits will not boost the economy. Every dollar spent on benefits is first taken from someone else or - even worse - it is added to the debt and stolen from our grandchildren.


    Sorry to let the facts get in the way of one of your anti-conservative rants.

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  6. Thanks Bernie..a fair statement and I appreciate your candor and honesty on this issue. You know I and Rep. Dent don't see eye to eye on a lot of things but you got to give him a nod for voting for the extension. Did he know it would fail anyway some will ask? Don't know but sometimes you got to do the right thing despite your constituents furor about the bill. He does enough good in my estimation that it off sets the other stuff he does support in opposition to my wishes.

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  7. Poor Patrick McHenry,

    He doesnt obviously know how government works..Everything the Republican senate doesnt like they filibuster, including unemployment benefits. If it were a straight up and down vote then it wouldnt be an issue, the benefits would be continued..

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  8. Anon 8:55 -

    Please provide evidence that the Republicans filibustered this bill.

    The Dems still have 59 votes. Are you saying they couldn't get one RINO to go along with it?

    The President was willing to twist arms (and bribe Senators with our money) for his pet projects but didn't lift a finger on this one.

    The fact is that the Democrats didn't even try to move this through Congress. They don't want it either.

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  9. One of the biggest misconceptions that the GOP has about Democratic support (or lack therefo) of Obama is that he is too liberal. On the contrary, the GOP made a comeback because the Dems stayed home because of their disappointment that Obama didn't come through as "liberal" as he promised on the wars overseas, healthcare, etc....he tried too hard to appease the right and ended up alienating both sides. Many Dems I speak too mention that they should have supported Hillary.

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  10. I wish the reporting on this were a tad bit more honest...Republicans are not refusing to extend UC benefits...they are simply unwilling to do so by adding more to ur debt...we have unused stimulus funds which could be used...and I heard today a Dem Senator saying how can Repub's be willing to add $70 billion (r whatever the # was) by giving tax cuts to the rich, yet won't do so to help the unemployed...and again, a distortion which is not being addressed...if Congress does nothing with the tax cuts set to expire, taxes go up...if they extend the cuts, taxes stay the same...there is no tax cut for the rich...its either status quo or tax hike, plain and simple

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  11. Anon 9:43 -

    If you believe that Obama is some sort of centrist, you've lost your mind. I know that's how the White House wants to portray him, but that doesn't wash with what he has done to our country. I think America has a far better idea now of who/what Barack Obama is than when he was elected.

    That said, I will gladly help you vote Obama out of office in 2012.

    By the way, Hilary is doing a "great" job securing our secrets as Secretary of State.

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  12. Dave,

    He's voted for extensions when he's known they would pass, too.

    Not too long ago, Professor Jefferson Pooley started what he called the "Dent Watch," in which he professes to keep an eye on our Congressman. But he missed a pretty important indicator of the kind of person Dent has to be. And you, instead f simply acknowledging he did the right thing, just have to insinuate he only did it bc he knew it would fail.

    At some point this nonsense and game playing has to stop.

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  13. Michael, I can certainly see your point for the people who have already benefited from four previous extensions. What about those who've had none?

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  14. Patrick McHenry,

    1) Obama was in fact complicit with health care reform, cap-and-trade, etc. Agreed.

    2) I can't blame Dems for the failure to extend when most of the votes against it are coming from Rs.

    3) There we completely disagree. According to economists, and I've linked to one of their reports, the jobless spend each penny of their unemployment benefits. By not extending them, not only would recipients suffer, but so would retailers and a time when they coud use the help. There is pretty much a consensus among economists that every dollar spent on unemployment is poured right into the economy.

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  15. Bernie -

    I have no doubt that there are some economists who believe that government spending is a cure for everything. And I have no doubt that many of them are funded by the government.

    If what you are saying is true, why don't we all quit our jobs and go on unemployment? Can you imagine how great the economy would be?

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  16. Jonah,

    You are correct. Rs refuse to support an extension unless there is some way to pay for it other than printing money. That's the conservative mantra, and although I should have been a little more clear about it, that's my point.

    A conservative or liberal mantra does not work for everything. Let's say that N Korea were to send a fleet of fishing boats to start launching nuclear tipped scuds at the US, with a little covert help from China. I don't think we'd hem and haw about appropriating the money to take them out unless we can find a way to pay for it, would we? No, we'd act.

    Well, there are many people who are one step away from financial disaster. Not helping them is going to drive some of them into crime. It's going to hurt retailers. In many ways, it is just a threat to our security and is certainly a threat to theirs.

    I don't think Rs were elected because all Americans suddenly have swung to the right, nor do I think that very many of them were on the left. Most of us try to be reasonable and practical. If Rs fail to get that message and work with Dems to find bipartisan answers, they will not be in power long. At least that's my take.

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  17. "I have no doubt that there are some economists who believe that government spending is a cure for everything."

    Patrick, I am not talking about "some economists." Actually, its pretty much a consensus. In fact, back in January, the non-partisan CBO came out with a report stating that increasing aid to the unemployed is the best way to stimulate the economy.

    As far back as 2008, Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz wrote that the best counter to the economic slowdown was to strengthen unemployment aid bc that money would be spent immediately.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/opinion/23stiglitz.html?_r=2&ref=joseph_e_stiglitz

    I'll agree that more sending is not a panacea for everything, as some think. But it's entirely reasonable to extend unemployment precisely bc it benefits all of us.

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  18. Bernie -

    Again, if it's so great for the economy let's put everyone on unemployment.

    You're giving me the same argument as was used for the stimulus plan, which I think that everyone now realizes was a failure.

    No matter how you spin it, you can't get around the fact that each dollar paid out for unemployment benefits - plus what is spent on government overhead and administration - first has to be taken out of the economy from someone else.

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  19. Bernie O'Hare said...

    "A conservative or liberal mantra does not work for everything. Let's say that N Korea were to send a fleet of fishing boats to start launching nuclear tipped scuds at the US, with a little covert help from China. I don't think we'd hem and haw about appropriating the money to take them out unless we can find a way to pay for it, would we? No, we'd act."

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    Bernie -

    Your example is a bit different than the unemployment issue.

    We've known for a long time that the unemployment benefits would be ending, didn't we? And yet the Democrats did nothing to bring this up before the election, and have done little to move it forward now while they still have the majority.

    If the Democrats really wanted this passed, they would have made it a priority. For whatever reason, they have not. I think that speaks volumes about what they really think.

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  20. Jonah,

    Thats hillarious..The republicans have no problem adding 700 billion to the debt for the tax cuts extension for the richest Americans without asking that that be paid for..Stop the crappy talking points already...Mchenry , i see you are still confused ..Dems have 56 senators..Sadly enough all the Rinos are gone or in hiding.

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  21. "Again, if it's so great for the economy let's put everyone on unemployment."

    Bernie isn't saying it's great for the economy. Bernie is saying that it is better than the alternative of less money going into the economy. Unemployment pays much less than what most people are earning when they get a new job. The incentive to get OFF of unemployment and get a better paying means to income is what makes it work. Since unemployment is an insurance type program, the money has already been taken out of the economy. It sounds like you want to outright eliminate unemployment altogether. That's the extremist line of thinking that voters are tired of.

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  22. By the way Mc Henry, Anybody with a brain can see that the republicans who keep saying they wont extend Unemployment benefits without paying for it are going to do just that..Once the Dems agree (and its coming) to let the rich guys tax breaks get extended the republicanss will agree to let the unemployed get their extension..Then everybody will get their money and the government will be trillions more in debt..Some fiscal restraint by the Republicans, heh..they are a joke!

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  23. I'll agree that the stimulus plan was a failure, but this is not the same thing. We are not giving money to other outfits who then hie firms from China and Peru. We are pouring money directly into our own economy.

    As far as that "why not put everyone on unemployment" argument goes, you seem to think that Americans on unemployment actually like it. Most of them d not. Most would rather be working. I know I'm happier when I'm busy. I think most of us feel that way.

    It's a tool to help people who, through no fault of their own, lose a job. It's paid for by the rest of us. Most of us consider that a reasonable approach to a serious problem.

    What I am asking you to do is to forget all the mantras from the right and the left and ask yourself what is reasonable. If you believe it is unreasonable to extend unemployment 5 times, as MM suggests, you have a point. If you think it is unreasonable to extend even once and during a bad economy, I'd like to know why. We do know that every cent goes right back into the economy.

    I believe we can come to an answer that does not involves the usual "Obama is a commie" or "GOP hates the poor" nonsense. People are sick of that. Instead of talking at each other, they want us to talk to each other.

    If the GOP fails to make some effort at establishing dialogue, I do not think they will be in control any longer than the Dems.

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  24. Patrick & others, For some reason, I am receiving email notifications of your comments, but not all of them are posting here. I believe blogger is having problems today, as it has also happened on my other post. I hope whatever problem is going on is short-lived.

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  25. I guess I don't understand. The papers classified ads are loaded with jobs. Yes they may not be the job you want or need but there are jobs out there. Some of these people have been on unemployment for almost if not over 2 years and they wont take a job or even apply for a job that isn't equal to or more than they collect on unemployment. How long are we suppose to support them?

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  26. "If the Democrats really wanted this passed, they would have made it a priority. For whatever reason, they have not. I think that speaks volumes about what they really think."

    Very fair point. No questions that both sides play games. That's what we want to stop.

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  27. "Some of these people have been on unemployment for almost if not over 2 years and they wont take a job or even apply for a job that isn't equal to or more than they collect on unemployment. How long are we suppose to support them?"

    An even better point. Instead of political rancor, you address the issue. So how about resolving this by saying no more than three extensions? Something along those lines.

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  28. I agree the amount of extensions should be enacted. We are all Dem's this and R's that. I think we would all be shocked if we were to take a poll of current collectors of unemployment and ask them how many are registered voters and how many in fact even vote.

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  29. My anti- Dent bias shone thru on my post but I will try to be even handed with him and his issues and voting record from now on. I won't refer to his past actions and will see where he leads us..his constituents. Does he want to be our next Senator? Casey needs to actually do something to raise peoples awareness that he is still alive and working for us down in DC.

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  30. I don't know whether Dent will run. I am sure he will only run if he thinks he has a shot.

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  31. Bernie O'Hare said:

    "What I am asking you to do is to forget all the mantras from the right and the left and ask yourself what is reasonable. If you believe it is unreasonable to extend unemployment 5 times, as MM suggests, you have a point. If you think it is unreasonable to extend even once and during a bad economy, I'd like to know why. We do know that every cent goes right back into the economy."

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    Bernie -

    "Every cent goes back into the economy"? Surely you realize that the government is taking a cut (for administration) of all the money it confiscates.

    There is simply no logic to this argument. If you believe this, please have your neighbor take $1,000 from you, have him throw a percentage of it away (for administration) and sleep well knowing that his use of the remaining money will better stimulate the economy than whatever you would have used it for. That's the argument you're making.

    I'm trying not to look at this ideologically, only logically. You ask about what is reasonable or unreasonable, so here goes:

    I don't think it's reasonable to extend unemployment benefits past 99 weeks. That's almost two years!

    I don't think it's reasonable to try to force a decision at the last minute after the issue has been ignored for months. Everyone certainly knew this date was coming. How many good decisions come when you procrastinate and make them at the last minute?

    Most of all, I think that continuing to spend money that we don't have is unreasonable. Congress passed a much-heralded pay-as-you-go rule, but that is routinely ignored. And somehow those who point this out are cold-hearted or mean-spirited for doing so.

    Government behaves like a child. Politicians want to give away goodies to get re-elected, and a good segment of the voters want to keep the gravy train going and are too selfish to recognize the harm that it's doing to the country.

    To make matters worse, instead of paying for the things we want now, we expect our children and grandchildren to pay for it. Because we lack the self-discipline to say no to ourselves. That's insanity, and will result in the collapse of our country.

    Tax something and you get less of it. Subsidize something and you'll get more. That's basic economics - and we've been subsidizing unemployment for a long time.

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  32. Bernie O'Hare said...
    Patrick, I am not talking about "some economists." Actually, its pretty much a consensus. In fact, back in January, the non-partisan CBO came out with a report stating that increasing aid to the unemployed is the best way to stimulate the economy.

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    Unemployment, like welfare is a subsidy to economically failed areas.
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    Detroit and Newark, NJ are examples of how government aid programs work to stimulate the economy. California should be a grand success right now.
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    The CBO must work on the conditions given to it by Congress. Congress makes sure the CBO draws the "correct" conclusions. If you have any doubts, look at the phonied numbers issued for the Heathcare Reform Bill.

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  33. There is no need for unemployment benefit extensions because the economy is fixed.

    Democrats have had complete control for two years and fixed everything. They went right to work on the economy (except that most of the time was spent on unpopular health care reform).

    The stimulus worked and TARP was brilliant. It was GW Bush's fault for a long time. But the Summer of Recovery came and went and we're in a steady recovery now. I know this because that's what they've told me.

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  34. Bernie: I commend you for your reasoned view. I even commend Dent for voting in favor of the extension of unemployment benefits whether he knew it would fail or not. He may have just achieved fellow traveler status with the ideologically pure right wing.

    1. The tax rates enacted in 2001 in the utopian state of Republican President and Republican controlled House and Senate were intentionally not made permanent at the time. Why? Because the Republican theocracy would have had to make comparative reductions of expenditures from the revenue loss at the same time. They failed to do so. Hence the current dilemma. No tea party scream about fiscal irresponsibility at the time. The blame is misplaced on the Dems - but fashionable nonetheless as the extremely successful propaganda of the Reps was in high gear fueled in part by the bloated coffers of unidentified campaign donors to the Chamber of Commerce did its job. Blame the Dems if the rates do expire because its their fault for not extending that which was designed to expire by the all knowing all seeing conservatives.

    2. Every study has shown that giving the wealthiest 2% an extension of the tax breaks they already enjoy HAS NO EFFECT ON THE CREATION OF JOBS in the private sector. There is every reason to extend the tax rate level to those earning below $250,000.00. There is no reason that benefits the public to do so for the 2%.

    3. If it was Obama who stalled on the START Treaty vote the Right wing would say it was final proof that he was a Marxist.

    4. What did 8 years of the IRAQ war cost? 4 or 5 Trillion Dollars?
    Anyone whine about the debt our poor children and grandchildren would inherit at the time??

    The stimulus package only prevented a depression. Now we are down to the end of unemployment benefits (which if extended will go back into the economy and encourage the creation of jobs) for thousands who will be at the end of the road.

    But job 1 - extend the tax benefits for the 2%. I hear there are great year end deals on yachts and Lear jets to keep them from the unwashed masses who toil to create a society where unbridled wealth can flourish.

    Bah Humbug.

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  35. Hey anon 8:35, easy on the reality check. The Reactionary zealots will call you a Communist Keynesian if you write things like the truth.

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  36. "Every cent goes back into the economy"? Surely you realize that the government is taking a cut (for administration) of all the money it confiscates.

    There is simply no logic to this argument."


    I appreciate your appeal to logic, but this is not a "logical" argument. Iy is instead a factual argument. In other words, the CBO has gone out and determined that every spent sent to people on unemployment is put right back in the economy. They have graphs and all other kinds of nonsense, too.

    And stop calling me Surely.

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  37. "To make matters worse, instead of paying for the things we want now, we expect our children and grandchildren to pay for it. Because we lack the self-discipline to say no to ourselves. That's insanity, and will result in the collapse of our country."

    You are dead on here. 40% of the $ we are spending right now is borrowed, mostly from China. It's obscene.

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  38. How about if we limit individuals to a certain amount of unemployment? Perhaps 52 weeks or whatever, then they have reasonable protection fiscally and reasonable time to find new employment.

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  39. I get resumes by the scads from CareerLink everyday. That worthless shithole even sends resumes from people who've already come through once and turned down a job. I spend hours phone screening and setting interviews, and the lazy bastards rarely show. Two that did bother to go through the process last week didn't show the night they were supposed to start.

    Check out the ads for the Amazon warehouse, the Hartford, and scores of other companies. Their recruiters work 60+ hours a week. They are BEGGING for people, they'll take you unless you are an axe murderer. And totally unskilled losers scoff at 25-30K, training and benefits.

    But no, they don't want to work in a warehouse, or a call center. It's beneath them. And why should they, they know the vote buyers, Charlie the Spineless included, will keep printing money and handing it out.

    These goldbrickers want a job that pays well, that requires little work, and will let them off in time to get to the bar so they can get a load on before they go home to beat the wife.

    These people NEED to lose their welfare - and that is what it is, make no mistake about it.

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  40. Hey patrick Mchenry,

    Remember when you said that the Dems could pass this without the Republicans..Did you happen to see the republican press conference stating that they would block all bills until the tax cuts for the rich are passed also..Well there goes your argument right down the toilet where it belonged in the first place..

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  41. A list of Tea Party Caucus members and their earmark requests in Fiscal Year 2010, courtesy of Citizens Against Government Waste's Pig Book:

    NAME EARMARKS AMOUNT

    Aderholt (R-AL) 69 $78,263,000

    Akin (R-MO) 9 $14,709,000

    Alexander (R-LA) 41 $65,395,000

    Bachmann (R-MN) 0 0

    Barton (R-TX) 14 $12,269,400

    Bartlett (R-MD) 19 $43,060,650

    Bilirakis (R-FL) 14 $13,600,000

    R. Bishop (R-UT) 47 $93,980,000

    Burgess (R-TX) 15 $15,804,400

    Broun (R-GA) 0 0

    Burton (R-IN) 0 0

    Carter (R-TX) 26 $42,232,000

    Coble (R-NC) 19 $18,755,000

    Coffman (R-CO) 0 0

    Crenshaw (R-FL) 37 $54,424,000

    Culberson (R-TX) 22 $33,792,000

    Fleming (R-LA) 10 $31,489,000

    Franks (R-AZ) 8 $14,300,000

    Gingrey (R-GA) 19 $16,100,000

    Gohmert (R-TX) 15 $7,099,000

    S. Graves (R-MO) 11 $8,331,000

    R. Hall (R-TX) 16 $12,232,000

    Harper (R-MS) 25 $80,402,000

    Herger (R-CA) 5 $5,946,000

    Hoekstra (R-MI) 9 $6,392,000

    Jenkins (R-KS) 12 $24,628,000

    S. King (R-IA) 13 $6,650,000

    Lamborn (R-CO) 6 $16,020,000

    Luetkemeyer (R-MO) 0 0

    Lummis (R-WY) 0 0

    Marchant (R-TX) 0 0

    McClintock (R-CA) 0 0

    Gary Miller (R-CA) 15 $19,627,500

    Jerry Moran (R-KS) 22 $19,400,000

    Myrick (R-NC) 0 0

    Neugebauer (R-TX) 0 0

    Pence (R-IN) 0 0

    Poe (R-TX) 12 $7,913,000

    T. Price (R-GA) 0 0

    Rehberg (R-MT) 88 $100,514,200

    Roe (R-TN) 0 0

    Royce (R-CA) 7 $6,545,000

    Scalise (R-LA) 20 $17,388,000

    P. Sessions (R-TX) 0 0

    Shadegg (R-AZ) 0 0

    Adrian Smith (R-NE) 1 $350,000

    L. Smith (R-TX) 18 $14,078,000

    Stearns (R-FL) 17 $15,472,000

    Tiahrt (R-KS) 39 $63,400,000

    Wamp (R-TN) 14 $34,544,000

    Westmoreland (R-GA) 0 0

    Wilson (R-SC) 15 $23,334,000

    TOTAL 764 $1,049,783,150

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  42. I reference to the previous post

    Hey Wayne,

    Where is the fake outrage?


    and these are the new guys

    "meet the new boss
    same as the old boss"

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  43. Another observation
    did you notice the states they hail from?
    Gee, I wonder if they wear sheets when they caucus?

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  44. Anonymous said...
    I reference to the previous post

    Hey Wayne,

    Where is the fake outrage?

    and these are the new guys

    "meet the new boss
    same as the old boss"
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    #1 - These are not the "new guys", this was for this year, from a Congress that was elected on 2008. Read.

    #2 - "Tea Party Caucus"... how they vote is always a better indicator than what they claim to be.

    #3 - Of course you know your friendly local neighborhood Tea Party doesn't endorse, even "Tea Party Caucus" members. Of course you knew that!

    #4 - "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" - Just as true now as then, "Who's Next"

    #5 - No outrage, fake or otherwise. Why should there be? Did we just learn today that most politicians are hypocrites?

    Have a nice day, Anonymous!

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  45. Anonymous said...
    Another observation
    did you notice the states they hail from?
    Gee, I wonder if they wear sheets when they caucus?
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    Friday 7:00PM Chrin Community Center in Palmer. LV Tea Party general meeting, you're invited.

    Please leave your sheets at home.

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  47. If you want to attack another commenter on this blog, you're going to have to identify yourself, plainly and clearly, so he knows where to send the Sheriff when he files a complaint for libel.

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  48. Mr. O'Hare, please do not delete this post as it is a sincere question and not an attack of any kind.

    Wayne, do you believe any Lehigh Valley Tea party members would ever support a Democratic candidate under any conditions. If not at the national or state level, at the local level.

    This is not a trick question, I am seriously interested in your take on this issue.

    Honest curiosity

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  49. Wayne, do you believe any Lehigh Valley Tea party members would ever support a Democratic candidate under any conditions. If not at the national or state level, at the local level.
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    Personally I have voted for a Democrat at the local level last May and other years. And years earlier at the state level. I don't remember any at the nat'l unless you count Arlen when he had a R behind his name. I've also voted for Libertarians.

    And I do know some of our local Tea Party members have identified themselves as Democrats and that there are times during meetings when we are reminded that the focus has to refrain from bashing one party -- and the R's do give us plenty to be disappointed about (see list above).

    What does it matter what letter is behind the name if the candidate is on the right side (limited constitutional government) of the issues? Of course one party may have more like-minded candidates than the other but it certainly is not a hard and fast rule. The new Democratic senator from West Virginia ran a very "tea party" sounding race.

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  50. Anonymous 11:23 AM said...

    Hey patrick Mchenry,

    Remember when you said that the Dems could pass this without the Republicans..Did you happen to see the republican press conference stating that they would block all bills until the tax cuts for the rich are passed also..Well there goes your argument right down the toilet where it belonged in the first place..

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    Anon -

    As I said numerous times:

    This problem did not occur overnight. It was known about for many months yet the Democrats chose not to deal with it, especially before the election.

    If you want to now blame the Republicans for blocking it because of the Republican statement you cite (which was made just this week and AFTER Bernie's article was posted), fine.

    I doubt the facts matter to you anyway.

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  51. "If Rs fail to get that message and work with Dems to find bipartisan answers, they will not be in power long. "

    I wonder why it's always the R's who have to be "bipartisan"...where was all the bipartisanhip in Congress for the last 2 years? Was that the R's fault?

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  52. Bernie O'Hare said:

    "...In other words, the CBO has gone out and determined that every spent sent to people on unemployment is put right back in the economy. They have graphs and all other kinds of nonsense, too."

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    Let me give it one more shot at logic to explain why the CBO is wrong.

    As Looking To Escape previously noted, the CBO is only as good as the information they are given. I will also add that the Democrats have been giving them phony information.

    We currently have higher unemployment than any time since the 1940's. And we have been paying unemployment benefits to those without jobs for a longer period of time (99 weeks) than ever before.

    So how am I to believe Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats that "increasing aid to the unemployed is the best way to stimulate the economy"?

    There is more money from unemployment benefits in our economy than ever before. If this approach worked, the economy would already be booming.

    To all the liberals on this blog, please note that I am providing this course in Economics 101 - and Common Sense 101 - free of charge as a public service.

    You're welcome!

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  53. Hi Patrick,

    First, the CBO is only one of several groups concluding that unemployment benefits is one of the best and cheapest ways to stimulate the economy. As I previously indicated, there is a consensus about this among economists. The data is what it is, and there is absolutely no evidence to support the assertion that Democrats are giving "false information" about this issue to the CBO. I might note that, until recently, Rs were in charge of both houses of Congress, and much of this information is the result of data supplied then.

    Also the argument the amount of money in the economy from unemployment conveniently forgets that we also have more people who are out of work.

    I suspect I would not do well in your class.

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  54. Bernie -

    AAAAAAARGH!

    That's exactly the point!

    What is being proposed is more of the same. More of the same that has done NOTHING to improve the economy.

    We've been extending the benefits for the unemployed and the economy has gotten worse. It has not helped the economy.

    You are right, however, about your grade. So far it's an F-.

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  55. So we have extended unemployment compensation for the unemployed and it has not helped the unemployed, in fact it got worse.

    OK, I see your point. So we have had the Bush tax-cuts for ten years and the economy has not improved, in fact it got worse.

    So yes I agree stop the unemployment benefits and end the wealthy tax cuts and end more of the same.

    That is your line of thing, right??

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  56. "You are right, however, about your grade. So far it's an F-."

    You can lead a hose to water ....

    There's always summer school.

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  57. You finally got a good picture of Charlie Dent. This should be the poster child for them.

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