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Break out the pitchforks.
Because they're cowards, most of Stolz' enemies are anonymous. They set up a hate blog called "The Stolz Report". I won't link to it, but it invades his privacy in nauseating detail. If he farts, one of them is there to smell it.
Their latest revelation is that Stolz, who was only 20 when he was first elected to the school board, dated a 15 year old girl for four months, with her parent's permission, while she was a student in his school district. They apparently ate cake and sang. There's no proof that anything inappropriate happened while she was under age. There are denials that anything inappropriate happened. Because she was a student in a district where he was on the board, Stolz thinks he should have resigned. Not me. The fact that she was a student in his school district is no more troubling to me than a school director who has children in those schools. If it's a conflict for Julian, it is a conflict for them.
Apparently, she and he are an item again. Good for them.
More disconcerting is the claim that, as recently as last year, he became "friends" with a 13 or 14 year old girl on a teen dating site that he joined when he was a teen himself. There's no evidence that he actually contacted her. As Julian explains in a way-too-detailed account of his own personal life, most of the people he met on that site are now in their 20s, like him.
So despite one pissed off school mother who condemned Stolz' "disgusting behavior" at a school board meeting last night, he appears to remain at large.
Emmaus mothers, lock up your daughters!
Stolz' love life is hardly what Lehigh County residents should be thinking about right now.
74 comments:
A 20 year old school board member dates a 15 year old student? May not be criminal but it should be. that is over the line. Parent permission bullshit, so a parent can give their kid permission to do crack??
Get your head screwed on right O'Hare. You are off the wall on this one.
I personally don't think anyone should be allowed to date until age 25, at least that is what I told my kids. Dating Julian Stolz is nothing like crack.
He is an alleged adult dating a minor. There are laws regarding that behavior.
You attack that Barron ass for teaching few hours a week and scream for his head, yet you let this disturbing behavior of child dating go by with a whimper.
Interesting set of values.
"He is an alleged adult dating a minor. There are laws regarding that behavior"
Really? Last time i checked, it is completely lawful for a 20 yo to date a 15 yo.
The hate has nothing to do with a minor and everything to do with his stance against the teacher's union
disbarred drunk bloggers have no standards or real set of values as this scum has freely admitted on many occasions.
Much a do about nothing over in the East Penn area. Not too long ago in American history, 15 year olds were married and having children with their older husbands. Not that this is condoned today, but... if the parents of the 15 year old allowed the courting and not intimate behaivor happened, no harm no foul. Move on.
"There's no proof that anything inappropriate happened while she was under age."
Stoltz himself admitted that it was an inappropriate relationship at the time, which is why he broke it off initially, according to his own account.
Look, Bernie, it's straight up creepy for a school board member to solicit relationships on site primarily designed for teens. For him to take one of those kids out on dates is way beyond the line of acceptable behavior from someone in his position.
Frankly, I'm completely shocked that you would defend such a thing.
I'm sure if your fifteen year old daughter were dating a 20 year old man, you would feel differently. There is something wrong with a 20 year old who is interested in 15 year old girls. Period.
Look 20 year old dating a 15 year old.... not end of the world. Doesn't make him a "predator, creep or pervert" or the more vicious comments in the papers. Both Julian and the girl were young and in Julians case stupid. It's a weird age range. There are some 15 yr old girls way more mature then 19 or 20 year old guys. But it is nearing uncomfortable territory. It is pushing it.
Think about it this way....If I were a parent of a 15 year old would I want my daughter dating a 20 year old man? Hell no. I wouldn't want my 15 year old daughter dating anyone. Julian alleges he had parental consent..... having to seek consent to do something sort of puts it into weirdness zone right there.
Even Julian admits for a school director even a 20 year old one what he did was a mistake in Judgement. A professional line should have been drawn as an elected official. Common sense tells you that as a school director you shouldnt have a public account on a site called "teenspot". Or social relationships with students whether romantic or not.
Go back a couple months to the twitter "scandals". Did he do anything wrong? No. But come on man. Gotta be smarter then then was. He even admits he goes to far and that it's to get a "rise" out of people.
Time after time he puts himself in these positions. Shows lack of judgement. And having good judgement is certainly criteria for a public official.
I honestly feel bad for Julian right now. And yes he has people totally obsessed with ruining him.... but he brings this stuff on himself. He spoon feeds them ammo. Straight up feeds it to them.
69 News had some video this morning. Honestly, the complaining parents looked like morons. Julian, surprisingly, was the only one who did not look like a moron.
We need young people willing to participate in politics. This type of invasion into ones personal life is why many good people just stay away.
Being a school board member is not a permission slip to strip a person of every dignity they have, or a reason to intrude upon their personal life.
Elected official or not, people are still entitled to privacy. Unfortunately, this type of public outcry is seen when people have nothing else to do. Instead of attacking him politically, his advarsaries have stormed into his personal life, in hopes he will shut up and go away.
Julian, if you read this, dont let them get their way. While we dont always agree on things, this story is way out of line, and a common form of harassment from those who cant stand on their own political platforms.
Stay the course, its a non-issue.
could it be that Stolz turned down advances by this one pissed off school mother
Admittedly, this is a weird set of circumstances and could be completely without wrongdoing however....
Would this board member be so lenient and understanding if instead of him, it was a newly hired coach or teacher having a relationship with a 10th grade girl, sexual or not? Hell no, that teacher or coach or custodian would be hung out to dry so fast, he wouldn't know what hit him.
I find the whole episode at the minimum a case of extremely poor judgement given his position. Our society has deemed romantic interaction between school officials and teachers and students as an egregious offense where no one usually survives.
I'm leery of any special dispensation this person may receive. My daughter is 15 and dating a 20 year old would be bad enough but a school board member? No.
Yawl just jelly that yung Julz gets more azz than a lazy boy recliner! Julz is a #TCOT who flaunts his connex to the right wing cuz hes a future star of the party! First stop school board, last stop white house bitches!!!11
Kevin, I'm shocked that you would take such a stance on Julian's behavior. Perhaps you're moral compass is off because if Stolz was in Graterford with Jim Greggy he would be in protective custody with the cho mo's!
Monkey Momma, Give it a rest, I doubt very much that Julian did anything creepy, and is just being made to look that way. As he pointed out in his own blog, most of the people he was in contact were in their 20s like him. I am not going to assume he's a criminal just bc some anonymous haters are trying to throw mud at him.
And no, I don't think there is anything wrong with a 5 year difference in a dating relationship. If one is underage, there have to be boundaries.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. See if he can take his own political medicine, little bitter don't ya say.
Oh, I see. This is politics.
"could it be that Stolz turned down advances by this one pissed off school mother"
Now I think that's highly unlikely.
"I'm sure if your fifteen year old daughter were dating a 20 year old man, you would feel differently"
I definitely would, but she was not my 15 yo daughter. Her parents, who know her better than i do, agreed to the relationship, although I am certain they imposed boundaries.
" it was a newly hired coach or teacher having a relationship with a 10th grade girl, sexual or not?"
That's what you don't get. At the time of this "relationship," Julian was himself too young to be a coach or a teacher. He was a kid himself. In addition, a coach or teacher stands in parens patria with a student. It is an uneven relationship to begin with and never a good idea for theree to be a relationship. A school director really has no connection to individual students.
8:05, These are some weird group of haters who seem to have waaaaaaay too much time on their hands and are obsessed. Julian states he thinks their motives are political, but this is frankly a very unhealthy obsession. I find that a lot more creepy than what seems to me like a 5 year difference in an innocent dating relationship with parental approval.
Julian has now been vilified in the newspapers and Channel 69 on the basis of anonymous hate. There is no evidence that Stolz copmmitted crimes, just insinuations. But he is now lumped in with pedophiles.
After these revelations the Council Family Values can no longer support Julian's political career, he is a disgrace to our organization and he must be discarded like a bowel movement.
7:39, I think your take is right. While I would not approve with my own children, I am not going to condemn a mother who did and who obviously set limits. I do think it is borderline, but what most people seem to forget is that Julian himself was really just a kid at the time.
Come on Bernie, a 20 year old is a kid. We don't ask kids to fight for our country.When does responsibility begin.
I don't think it is irresponsible for a 20 yo to date a 15 yo so long as there is no inappropriate contact and the parents approve. It is a family and very personal matter. And yes, I do view a 20 yo as a kid.
To me, the more interesting question is exactly who is behind these constant smears at Stolz. What is their motivation? To me, that is the real story hear, not smoke with no fire.
Uhhh Boonie, the people behind these libel proof blogposts are clearly self identified as Anna Karina and Kevin Chang. Thanks to both of them for making our community safer.
A school director really has no connection to individual students.
This is completely untrue. A board member is no different than any other school official with peripheral involvement with students.
And by the way, you are making a wild assumption that there were boundaries that were never crossed. Given the questionability of those claims, this was highly inappropriate.
"Uhhh Boonie, the people behind these libel proof blogposts are clearly self identified as Anna Karina and Kevin Chang. Thanks to both of them for making our community safer."
Those are pseudonyms. They do not make our community safer, but actually add to an atmosphere of hate that has polluted political discourse in all levels of government.
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean that it is right. Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it isn't creepy.
Most Americans would agree that a 20-year-old dating a 15-year-old is not an appropriate relationship. Stolz knew this, and admits that he broke off the relationship because of public perception.
He also admitted using a website designed for teen dating, and interacting with underage girls. He states that he deleted his account only when he became aware that his use of the website was about to be exposed.
Those serving in public office should know that the public will hold them to high standards. Mr. Stolz knows that he has enemies. He needs to learn to stop handing those enemies ammunition.
There is no evidence that Stolz copmmitted crimes, just insinuations. But he is now lumped in with pedophiles.
Age difference matters little to the public. What matters the age of the girl (15), a minor and the age of the man (20), an adult. You have no trouble discounting the parental concern but accept wholeheartedly that noting sexual occurred.
Julian may have some kind of future as a pundit or blogger whatever.... but serious political aspirations.... forget about it.
He's a self identified agitator. Makes for good blogging but not a good politician. ESP school board politics. Which really shouldnt be partisan. HE consistently injects partisan politics into school board issues.
He can kiss a primary challenge to Justin Simmons goodbye.
In his blog article, he takes an unnecessary swipe at unions, not the teachers union, but ALL unions. I'm not a union member and never have been, but it's a pretty infantile remark if you have any context whatsoever in real life.
11:00,
1) A school director simply does not stand in the same position as a coach or teacher, and has no direct involvement with a student.
2) I am making no assumption. There is a very specific denial that anything inappropriate happened. The insinuation that something did is an assumption.
As I said, the real story here is the people who are making these smears, and what is motivating them.
"In his blog article, he takes an unnecessary swipe at unions, not the teachers union, but ALL unions"
I see, and that justifies insinuations that he is a pedophile? Come on.
"He's a self identified agitator. Makes for good blogging but not a good politician."
That may be true.
Your headline is grammatically incorrect, Bernard. "Me" should be "I." You've earned detention and will parse sentences for one hour. See me after class, please. Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
Kevin,
The unhealthy interest in all things Julian Stolz has exceeded the scrutiny that should ordinarily apply to a school director. Sure, he should be held to a higher standard, but he is also entitled to some privacy. Who he dates and blogs attacking his employment are just mean-spirited.
Sister, It is grammatically incorrect, but just did not feel right. In fact, I hate that "I" v. "me" distinction, when our common parlance is to use "me".
I forgive Julian for his lustful ways, he is human and quite frankly I find him dashing and quite "doable".
11:05, Once again, you insinuate criminal activity that has been specifically denied. You insinuate anonymously based on allegations in an anonymous blog made by anonymous enemies.
Well O'Hare you have the child predator support for your stance. Good job!
They elected a right wing-ding kid-----and that is what they got.
I am that "pissed off mother" and I am not as much "pissed off" as I am saddened. We bought our home based on this school district because of its successes, good morals, and high standards. I am a firm believer that it takes a village to raise a child. I am ready to do most of the work but my children are in the hands of school for 8 hours a day 5 days a week for 180 days a year. They are a huge part of my team in helping raise my boys and frankly I don't ever want my boys looking up to someone like Julian Stolz as a potential leader. As I've said before I don't think Mr. Stoltz is a bad person but I think he has made a series of very bad choices that make him no longer qualified to hold this position. I'm still debating if he ever really was qualifed.
stolz can double dip in my duodenum any time he pleases.
If he is a public figure, he may be publicly scrutinized. It's clear that even he knew that he should not have been dating this girl. That's why he originally broke off the relationship.
I'm on both sides of this one.
The anon attacks on Stolz are ridiculous and need to stop. He has a right to face accusers and defend himself. That is definitely a story.
However, Stolz was wrong too. As a public official, one who has shown his interest in higher office since being elected, he is going to be held to a higher level of scrutiny. Add to that the fact that he has positioned himself as a conservative firebrand, one who invites both criticism and public attacks (he's reveled in being that person for years), and you have a recipe for just what's happening.
The fact is he failed miserably in his responsibilities to the public that elected him. I'm sorry but that is a fact and that is also a story.
If Stolz wants to do anything by way of elected office in the future, he needs to apologize, resign, and shut up / go away for a few years.
The Banker
Banker, at age 25, Julian gets in trouble for all the goofy things he says. Maybe he should shut up and go away for that, though he is one of the few people I know who actually identifies himself and takes responsibility. Even you won't do that.
While condemning him piously for daring to date a 15 year old, let's look at a few facts. He was 20 years old. Her parents consented. He had enough respect for her to keep it non sexual. And now she is his fiancé. It seems to me that this relationship might actually be one of his better decisions.
I get that he's a firebrand. But he is being convicted by insinuation in a prosecution mounted by phonies who have their own agenda. To me, that's a little more important than what Julian was doing five years ago.
I have avoided the slurs at Julian bc, quite frankly, I have my own battles. That's about to change. I intend to expose these phonies.
Kevin, it appears to me that Julian's decision to date a person who is now his fiancé is actually one of his better decisions. Scrutinize away.
This is interesting. Based on your comment, my view is that your objection to Julian is political and you are using your children as pawns to pursue an agenda not entirely related to shock over the fact that a 20 yo dated a 15 yo.
My questions to you:
How did you learn of this shocking behavior? What's your connection to the hateful people who have literally been stalking Julian at his place of employment? Are you part of it? I really would like to know and will follow up with you..
Incidentally, last time I checked, this country does not convict people based on insinuations. So put your pitchfork and torch away .
"Monkey Momma, Give it a rest, I doubt very much that Julian did anything creepy, and is just being made to look that way"
Thanks for the reply, Bernie - but I am confused by your "give it a rest" comment - I have never said anything about Mr. Stoltz before, and I'm just commenting on a blog post you put up for comment. Respectfully, here is my response:
It is readily apparent, that Stoltz did do something creepy. (Creepy being in the eye of the beholder, of course.) A 20 year old man is an adult. The difference between a 20 year old school board member and a 15 year old student is massive and so obvious as to be absurd that some think it is OK.
What is also creepy is an adult male posing shirtless on a site marketed to TEENAGERS looking, specifically, to "hook up." You say he's just a young buck - I say he's a fully grown adult exhibiting behaviors that certainly do sound predatory.
I'm only judging him by the actions he himself admitted happened. I don't know who the folks are that a dead set on destroying Stoltz, but it seems Stoltz himself is going to do the job for them. Even after the shit hit the fan on this story, he posted on twitter that "couples who shower together stay together." Seriously? That is some bad judgement. He's certainly not someone who should be making decisions that affect the lives of thousands of teenagers. I wish the parents of East Penn luck on this - maybe they'll pay more attention to who they put on the Board during the next election.
I know Julian Stolz, a nice young man with clear convictions. I guarantee you the relationship was innocent, Stolz is a pefect gentleman. He is hated because he is a proud, outspoken right wing pro-religion conservative, which doesn't sit well with the educators and administrators at EPSD. They would be more comfortable with feel good liberal rubber stampers who just show up, bob their heads up and down and permit the teachers unions and the adminstrators to run the district without interference.
You don't know Julian. You don't know this young lady. You don't know her parents. I am uncertain when that tweet occurred. My impression is that it is not recent. If it is, Julian is his own worst enemy. It is not something I would condone in my own family but I am not going to substitute my judgment for those of other parents. Also, this happened 5 years ago and comes to light now. That is the real story.
My view is clearly minority. But it really bothers me to read pious condemnations of someone's personal life from people who can't ID themselves. That's why I lashed out at you and even Banker. There clearly is something else going on here, and it is not Julian as some kid stalker. I think he is actually the prey.
The tweet was 10/13 @ about 4 PM.
Monkey Momma, I just went and saw the tweet. It was directed at a 20 yo woman. I agree that the less said, the better, and that tweet is poor judgment.
You are both creeps!
4:20 is directed at Monkey Momma.
The guy is a creepy child predator and needs to be put down
He never tried to have sex with these children!
The picture looks like a predator at work.
So he says....more to come
"The picture looks like a predator at work."
I think you're an expert when it comes to predators, so long as you don't have to ID yourself. When push comes to shove, you hide under a rock.
Bernie, you are right and you are wrong.
I think it is wrong, and should be criminal for a 20 year-old adult man to corrupt a 15 year-old girl ever. It is made even worse because he was a school director. I don't see how anyone can condone such behavior.
But the invasion of this guy's personal life seems too much to me. Is that a pic of him handing out tea in front of that tea store in the mall?
So the underlying joke is that he's somehow dumb or less because he works a menial job?
That is elitism at its finest.
I have never seen the stoltz report but I will be doubly sure to avoid it and not reward its authors with my +1 to their traffic.
I am a partisan liberal democrat. I hate everything Julian Stoltz has ever said and every vote he has ever taken. But lets dsagree on the merits, or even on the terrible and "should be" criminal personal behavior.
But I don't like the statement that it makes to think we're all better than a guy who works in the mall.
Oh yeah and Bernie, the captcha SUCKS!
I am really getting tired of the "mama bear" schtick by those who lambasted Stoltz at the meeting and on this blog and others. If there were allegations of kidnapping, rape, forceful this or that and so on, yes, he needs to be arrested and dumped from the Board. He did NOTHING illegal. I think its funny how the holier than thou's can show up in force and wreck someone then go home and get drunk in front of their kids drinking wine and taking their anti depressants for a crutch. The man did nothing illegal or wrong. The teen's parents consented!!
I see, and that justifies insinuations that he is a pedophile? Come on.
My post did not infer or imply that. It simply made a point about the man.
It makes me giggle a little that you both (Julian) seem to think I have this giant scheme for political advancement when in reality that couldn't be further from the truth. I have no political agenda. To be honest with you I am not a very political person. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans based on how their beliefs coincide with mine. I'm just a mom, and wife...kind of boring really.
The last time I checked I didn't a torch or a pitch fork, but in this country I have the right to speak my opinions in front of the school board of my sons school. Which is exactly what I did.
As for the people you are asking about I do not know them personally. I don't know who this Anna is, nor do I know who writes the blog other than following the blog writer on Twitter and having a few exchanges which only started this past Saturday.
I came across the information by chance on twitter and then did my own Google search to learn more about Mr. Stolz.
I'm not sure why you seem so surprised that people are upset. Most adults do think its socially acceptable for a 20 year old to purse a romantic relationship with a 15 year old. Let along the fact that in this particular case it was completely unethical and inappropriate for a sitting school board director to have a romantic relationship with a 15 year old high school student.
I was even more offended by Mr. Stolz's lack of remorse or ability to take any real responsibilities for his actions. Even his resignation isn't because of the poor choices HE made...but because of him wanting to "protect" his young girlfriend from cyber attacks. He is playing the martyr to attempt to deflect from the real reasons he is resigning.
Regardless of the how's and why's my only goal was to have a person I felt was unfit to serve my sons school properly. Now that this has been accomplished I'm positive that my 8 seconds of semi-fame are over and I will return back to my normal life never to be politically heard from again.
Please excuse my poor typing skills I meant my statement to say that most people do NOT think it is appropriate for a 20 year old to date a 15 year old.
To Anon 11:10.
Stolz needs to take a course in critical thinking and learn some personal discipline if he ever embarks on a future political career HOWEVER... challenging Justin Simmons in a primary??? Are you kidding me ! Julian has as much of a shot beating Simmons as Obama has becoming a conservative .
ZERO CHANCE!
Dude, so far as I know, Julian has no desire to challenge Justin . If he did, I 'd rate it as below zero.
I ain't hiding from nobody bitch and you ain't gonna push nothing but 911 when push comes ...
Yeah, you are hiding. Even now, you are too much of a coward to ID yourself. Now go back to rolling on the floor and foaming at the mouth.
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