tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post6013172282663819117..comments2024-03-28T06:48:39.549-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: Bethlehem Zoners Approve 98' High LNG FacilityBernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-24356430399749378832017-07-22T23:54:29.899-04:002017-07-22T23:54:29.899-04:00Scratching my head @Bernine the blast zone limite...Scratching my head @Bernine the blast zone limited to property borders????.Why??. It's only about 800 ft.!!!. Note in paragraph .75 of a mile is within the lethal zone equals 3/4 of a mile 3,960 ft and 5,280 ft equals 1 mile, Fire department has to evacuate Everyone within a 2 mile or 10,560 ft radius .....am I missing something here. Guess i am ....... Just my two cents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-76865066106701873442017-07-17T00:07:18.122-04:002017-07-17T00:07:18.122-04:00That's why this is not in a residential zone a...That's why this is not in a residential zone and is also why the blast zone must be limited to the property borders. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-31347937340204698522017-07-16T23:56:56.060-04:002017-07-16T23:56:56.060-04:00Accidents can happen at anytime this tank SHOULD N...Accidents can happen at anytime this tank SHOULD NOT BE ERECTED IN OR AROUND THE PUBLIC.<br /><<< PS:- Not shouting. <br />https://www.laohamutuk.org/Oil/LNG/app4.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-13401675345820297192017-07-16T23:44:17.166-04:002017-07-16T23:44:17.166-04:00http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lng-blast-analys... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lng-blast-analysis-idUSBREA3506Y20140406<br /> A county fire department spokesman said authorities were concerned a second blast could level a 0.75 mile "lethal zone" around the plant.<br /><br />Everyone within a two-mile radius of the site was evacuated, and a bomb-squad robot was deployed to snap photos of the damaged tank to avoid putting workers at further risk. Some who did approach were reportedly sickened by fumes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-34792027957077004312017-07-13T22:26:11.359-04:002017-07-13T22:26:11.359-04:00This particular witness was actually hired to run ...This particular witness was actually hired to run tests and make sure the design is safe and will comply with state and federal standards. If there was an expert who could have contradicted Dr. Hart, Elliott certainly would have called him. I do like this board, but I do disagree with some of the decisions. I like the board bc it is transparent and open. I do think they made the right call here. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-7539470563770897982017-07-13T19:30:28.953-04:002017-07-13T19:30:28.953-04:00Amazing how company paid experts always end up say...Amazing how company paid experts always end up saying that what the company wants to do is just wonderful. Everyone knows you love this Board so once again, people be damned. Alrighty then!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-58561564050285339602017-07-13T17:04:49.765-04:002017-07-13T17:04:49.765-04:00Dr. Hart was subjected to over two hours of cross-...Dr. Hart was subjected to over two hours of cross-examination. If he was a paid whore, as is being suggested, he would have looked terrible. He looked pretty good. I am sure UGI paid for his time and expertise, but not for his opinion.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-17363776671773331012017-07-13T16:32:44.966-04:002017-07-13T16:32:44.966-04:00It is sad that money can buy you anything, even ot...It is sad that money can buy you anything, even other people's safety.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-12085119904436688292017-07-13T15:01:23.673-04:002017-07-13T15:01:23.673-04:00I guess we can only trust people that don't ge...I guess we can only trust people that don't get paid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-82742791822064933172017-07-13T14:58:04.770-04:002017-07-13T14:58:04.770-04:00Who pays the consultant, Dr. Hart?Who pays the consultant, Dr. Hart?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-84805329090489044912017-07-13T14:23:27.059-04:002017-07-13T14:23:27.059-04:00As I posted in my first story in May, there have b...As I posted in my first story in May, there have been several instances of catastrophic failure. These all occurred bc the metal used was substandard material and these were not triple layer tanks. But even in those matters, the tanks never exploded. In one instance, there was a leak and the LNG went into a sewer. It exploded when it vaporized and killed several people. This scenario is impossible here. There is no sewer drain. There is a trench, though, to collect LNG in the event of a leak. The BOARD, UGI, Bethlehem FD, and LST all gave this very careful scrutiny, as they should. I believe Dr. Hart was quite persuasive.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-13336527228312512062017-07-13T13:55:24.651-04:002017-07-13T13:55:24.651-04:00you've got a bad link.
From this link:
http:...you've got a bad link.<br /><br />From this link:<br /><br />http://www.silive.com/news/2013/02/40_years_ago_today_staten_isla.html<br /><br />This is how the workers died:<br /><br />"The Texas Eastern Transmission Corp. tragedy drew a massive emergency response, but it was too late for those crushed when the roof fell down on them."<br /><br />Looks to me like the tank didn't even have LNG in it at the time and the accident was a result of some sort of construction accident, and was restricted to the construction site. Not good, but...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-51970050861175813962017-07-13T13:36:54.256-04:002017-07-13T13:36:54.256-04:00The worst industrial disaster in Staten Island (Ne...The worst industrial disaster in Staten Island (New York City)history took place 40 years ago when an explosion blew the concrete roof off a liquefied natural gas tank on the borough's northwest shore, killing 40 workers. ... If you believe this is not a safety issue for Bethlehem, go here: www.nytimes.com/.../43-workers-buried-in-huge-gas-tank-in-explosion-and-fire-on-stat...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-25993433326157206872017-07-13T12:30:12.038-04:002017-07-13T12:30:12.038-04:00It was a gas storage tank around 3rd and Union.
h...It was a gas storage tank around 3rd and Union.<br /><br />https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1965_-_UGI_Gas_Tower_Allentown_PA.jpg<br /><br />They tore it down 10-15 years ago.<br /><br />They are not quite the same because the old one stored gas and the new one will store liquefied gas. This is actually safer, since, as the expert said, it won't mix with air as readily. (The liquid and any evaporating cold gas is heavier than air, unlike natural gas at ambient temperature, which is lighter than air. For it to mix well, it will have to warm up first, which will take time.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-3016967985425094722017-07-13T12:18:06.424-04:002017-07-13T12:18:06.424-04:00Did not hear anything like that. Did not hear anything like that. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-3793742283308739912017-07-13T11:34:47.135-04:002017-07-13T11:34:47.135-04:00Allentown had one of those gas towers for decadesAllentown had one of those gas towers for decadesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-22413144501062576132017-07-13T11:18:24.249-04:002017-07-13T11:18:24.249-04:00I am no chemical engineer. But a chemical engineer...I am no chemical engineer. But a chemical engineer testified that the thermal impact of any explosion would not go beyond the property boundary. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-54629450383998634662017-07-13T11:08:33.706-04:002017-07-13T11:08:33.706-04:00How far would a leak have to travel and mix with a...How far would a leak have to travel and mix with air to become combustible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-9217351411535282412017-07-13T09:46:27.588-04:002017-07-13T09:46:27.588-04:00Agreed with 7:28 here. This is a good spot for a p...Agreed with 7:28 here. This is a good spot for a project like this. Generally out of the way and reusing an industrial brownfield. We need energy infrastructure and it has to go somewhere. Better than using up more prime farmland or forest!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-19218454749459009922017-07-13T07:58:47.617-04:002017-07-13T07:58:47.617-04:00I know! Build a windfarm there.
Yeah, that's...I know! Build a windfarm there.<br /><br />Yeah, that's the ticket. No one would complain about that, and think of all of the several homes it would power!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-8105374938152483562017-07-13T07:28:43.676-04:002017-07-13T07:28:43.676-04:00Money has nothing to do with this decision. This i...Money has nothing to do with this decision. This is the perfect spot for this, I bet you a million dollars If they came to build a steel plant on that land you would protest it. NIMBYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-65652418901757182462017-07-13T06:51:16.592-04:002017-07-13T06:51:16.592-04:00the sky is falling, the sky is fallingthe sky is falling, the sky is fallingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-17972198683479961172017-07-13T03:45:09.414-04:002017-07-13T03:45:09.414-04:00Never a doubt. Money talks. So now Bethlehem has a...Never a doubt. Money talks. So now Bethlehem has a potential massive explosion in its back yard. Things never ever go wrong with those things according to company paid experts.. No wonder the only real people watching it will be in Reading.<br /><br />What a sad joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com