tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post5867884994701341809..comments2024-03-28T09:50:20.335-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: McClure: Stoffa Operates in "Shroud of Secrecy"Bernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-22604083838428529002009-09-22T02:59:31.445-04:002009-09-22T02:59:31.445-04:00Stoffa is ready to close on a multi-million dollar...Stoffa is ready to close on a multi-million dollar operation and absolutely no numbers exist in any form.<br /><br />Yeah right, I don't think anyone needs to "call" Stoffa a liar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-72416755598386251272009-09-21T17:48:28.290-04:002009-09-21T17:48:28.290-04:00Stoffa has been about as clear as he can be. There...Stoffa has been about as clear as he can be. There are no numbers. I'm sure he has a figure he'd like to pay, but publicly revealing that would put him in a bad bargaining position. He also has no idea what types of restrictions will be imposerd. But there is little point discussing this w/ people who call him a liar.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-61550214495194444212009-09-21T17:28:47.485-04:002009-09-21T17:28:47.485-04:00Of course some numbers exist. Stoffa is stonewall...Of course some numbers exist. Stoffa is stonewalling for some reason. He is probably afraid the opponenets of this sceme will have a point regarding cost/benefit.<br /><br />In the old days angle screamed for numbers when the Courthouse wasn't even a full plan on paper. he would scream,"crooks", and ohare would yap in approval. Now their boy is in and they are quiet little mice.<br /><br />Thank God McClure is asking the right questions and shame on Stoffa and the Council Republicans for caving on this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-16476715764813876402009-09-21T09:11:58.309-04:002009-09-21T09:11:58.309-04:00"The rough numbers do not exist and Stoffa. S..."The rough numbers do not exist and Stoffa. Stoffa already has claimed that. Are you calling him a liar?'<br /><br />yes and since one of his cabinet members told you there are potential savings, you are ignoring the existence of those rough numbers. bernie, wake up! stoffa is starting to act like reibmann.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-58430235037888555172009-09-21T05:52:12.936-04:002009-09-21T05:52:12.936-04:00Stoffa has a dream to borrow and spend more money ...Stoffa has a dream to borrow and spend more money than Reibman. It won't happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-42528657112694843492009-09-20T13:26:45.252-04:002009-09-20T13:26:45.252-04:00Lamont McClure is doing the tough work the neutere...Lamont McClure is doing the tough work the neutered pussycat Angle used to do. Now the Angles boy Stoffa is in office Angle just shows up.<br /><br />Angle screams about problems that should be funded, core services, yet he never voted for the money to do those things.<br /><br />LaMont is asking the questions on this entire project that must be asked. The famous Stoffa stubborness is his business but when it comes to taxpayer money I don't care if Angle, ohare and Stoffa live together, questions must be asked.<br /><br />Yhis is either being kept secret or Stoffa is making it up as he goes along. The above posters make some great points. This should be part of an overall plan. If the plann is a facility at Gracedale this is somewhat silly.<br /><br />Stoffa was never a very good administrator and after four years now that he has to actually plan something it is showing.<br /><br />I don't vote for the Dem's but I appreciate McClure's questions. It is more than Angle and the other paper tiger Republicans on Council are asking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-16703751920611235962009-09-20T11:52:08.049-04:002009-09-20T11:52:08.049-04:00Thank God for Lamon; at least the damage he does ...Thank God for Lamon; at least the damage he does in this world is contained to County Council.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-78398324799237345672009-09-20T11:46:03.889-04:002009-09-20T11:46:03.889-04:00Lamont is an incompetent idiot He hardly attends a...Lamont is an incompetent idiot He hardly attends any committee meetings and is never prepared. He wont vote to approve a budget yet he`ll spend taxpayer`s money even when the department head didnt ask for it,like the hundred thousand he spent for a detective for his buddy Morganelli who was gonna arrest the thousands of child porn addicts we have in northampton county .Have any arrests been made ? Great finace committee chair as well ...the committtee never meets. He is a great addition to an incompetent lotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-47945232015408234282009-09-20T08:59:41.782-04:002009-09-20T08:59:41.782-04:00IF the County Executive's ultimate plan is to ...IF the County Executive's ultimate plan is to move the prison to Gracedale, then the Treatment Center/Work Release facility does not need to be built. Logic dictates that treatment can be accomplished in a new state of the art 21st century facility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-40342479918720402852009-09-20T06:21:38.710-04:002009-09-20T06:21:38.710-04:00Keep in mind that the proposed work release/treatm...Keep in mind that the proposed work release/treatment center will only reduce the Easton location by 300 inmates. That leaves 500 still there. The recent addition only holds at most 300. Projections say we will need at least 1200 total beds down the line. You still have to build another prison somewhere. And it will cost a ton above and beyond the Beth. Twsp. building expenses. The old jail must be razed! How do we proceed? The Gracedale option? We own the land and there is a lot of it. All it costs is tons of money..taxpayer money.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-78690977103765189342009-09-19T23:12:12.100-04:002009-09-19T23:12:12.100-04:00Those numbers will have to be seen and approved by...Those numbers will have to be seen and approved by county council. Stoffa is not going to enter into a lease w/o their OK. He can't. And when you're looking over those figures, compare them to what the county will be saving by closing the old jail.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-65120347074203999502009-09-19T22:45:46.983-04:002009-09-19T22:45:46.983-04:00Id like to see the numbers over a 10 to 15 year pe...Id like to see the numbers over a 10 to 15 year period. What would it cost the County to own and maintain such a facility vs what it would cost to outsource. You have to look at the long term costs not just a snap shot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-74447564768847079502009-09-19T21:39:39.889-04:002009-09-19T21:39:39.889-04:00If the numbers don't exist Stoffa is incompete...If the numbers don't exist Stoffa is incompetent. If they do exist, HE is a liar!<br /><br />This isn't like buying a pumpkin. There has to be a cost estimate for this involved and costly endeavor at this point, if not who the Hell is minding the store. I understand you and and the MSM have and will continue to give Stoffa a pass but that doesn't make it right.<br /><br />Stay on this one county Council.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-27765061132235878562009-09-19T17:14:22.320-04:002009-09-19T17:14:22.320-04:00The rough numbers do not exist and Stoffa. Stoffa ...The rough numbers do not exist and Stoffa. Stoffa already has claimed that. Are you calling him a liar?Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-75491233757143392712009-09-19T17:09:36.712-04:002009-09-19T17:09:36.712-04:00The rough numbers exist and County Council has a r...The rough numbers exist and County Council has a right to see them. This is not about Stoffa. If it was another Executive, you and Angle would be screaming bloody murder. Like the Phillips case you cherrypick the truth.<br /><br />I agree with the other poster about McClure doing the job Angle won't do because of Stoffa. I don't care much for McClure and we don't need a history lesson on his past.<br /><br />This is about the here and now and Stoffa has a responsibility to turn over the information that he has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-46292616045484266892009-09-19T13:58:40.443-04:002009-09-19T13:58:40.443-04:00Stoffa should NOT agree on numbers until he knows ...Stoffa should NOT agree on numbers until he knows (a) that he has a treatment center; and (b) what kind of restrictions are beig impsed. For examle, if BT comes back and says he needs 700 guards and floodlights, he'll walk away. If Atiyeh is unreasonable, he'll walk away. Atiyeh is the one taking a chance, which is why he only has an option on and does not own the real estate.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-27110040994522171942009-09-19T13:19:46.492-04:002009-09-19T13:19:46.492-04:00Love him or hate him, Mr. Atiyeh is a businessman ...Love him or hate him, Mr. Atiyeh is a businessman and is approaching this as a profitable venture...if not this, then a prison. So if the man who "knows the numbers" well enough to know he can make money, why doesn't the County (who will be spending our money) have any clue? Just stumble along and pay whatever is asked for? I supported Mr. Stoffa in the spring because of his supposed "fiscal responsibility", but I am sorry, the way this is being presented on LVR is that Mr. Stoffa has absolutely no clue as to dollar amounts but is willing to go through the public fight for his vision without even knowing if its feasible. For the good of the County, I really hope that perception is wrong. However, if it is wrong, then logic would indicate he isn't providing all the numbers.Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346747286241817118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-15307614467795894682009-09-19T13:18:43.457-04:002009-09-19T13:18:43.457-04:00" people jump all over McClure. Who is watchi...<em>" people jump all over McClure. Who is watching out for the taxpayers? Not Stoffa"</em><br /><br />I see. McClure nearly forced the county to accept a bid for IT services that was $1.8MM higher than the one ultimately negotiated. That's no friend to taxpayers. <br /><br />He illegally took it upon himself to fire the county council solicitor, against the wishes of a majority. That's no friend to taxpayers. <br /><br />He has played sweetheart o a union that acted like a lynch mob and tried to replace county workers with others that are more union friendly. That's no friend to taxpayers.<br /><br />He hAS encouraged deputy sheriffs to complain about not getting overtime for coverage at football games. That's no friend to taxpayers. <br /><br />Shall I go on? I can.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-11560727724774980162009-09-19T13:08:16.949-04:002009-09-19T13:08:16.949-04:00"Why is the County Executive not providing co...<em>"Why is the County Executive not providing concrete numbers. He already has the numbers worked out in his handshake agreement with Atiyeh. Atiyeh already knows what the deal is, so how come the taxpayers are not entitled to know."</em><br /><br />Actually, he does not. That's what he's been saying. Are you calling Stoffa a liar?Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-10759943031493633412009-09-19T11:56:59.019-04:002009-09-19T11:56:59.019-04:00sorry, that should have been beef, not beer in the...sorry, that should have been beef, not beer in the first sentence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-82128626008785574992009-09-19T11:56:34.579-04:002009-09-19T11:56:34.579-04:00so your beer is that mcclure isn't asking nice...so your beer is that mcclure isn't asking nicely and is being mean? ron angle is a brash jerk on so many occassions and you practically worship the ground he walks on b/c of his intent. <br /><br />Please, spear us the righteous indignation. When Ron does it, you love it. When McClure shows you he's not the incompetent boob you make him out to be, you get pissed. <br /><br />Your credibility has taken a wacking the last couple of weeks Bernie as your double standards have been truly given the sunshine that they deserved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-33608965408811304042009-09-19T11:00:43.758-04:002009-09-19T11:00:43.758-04:00Same old, same old. McClure is right on. The pris...Same old, same old. McClure is right on. The prison issue has been going on for years and here we are with nothing. Is the next phase of the prison plan being implemented? Probably not. I am sorry, but Stoffa is not doing his job. He freezes Council out of the process and then when the questions get difficult people jump all over McClure. Who is watching out for the taxpayers? Not Stoffa. How many times has he done things against the Charter or Administrative Code? He needs to be gone and it is a shame the voters don't get it. I hope Council keeps right on asking hard questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-3827901716035393992009-09-19T10:45:30.466-04:002009-09-19T10:45:30.466-04:00Why is the County Executive not providing concrete...Why is the County Executive not providing concrete numbers. He already has the numbers worked out in his handshake agreement with Atiyeh. Atiyeh already knows what the deal is, so how come the taxpayers are not entitled to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-66836105843076039792009-09-19T03:18:39.596-04:002009-09-19T03:18:39.596-04:00Somebody remind McClure that he's not up for r...Somebody remind McClure that he's not up for re-election this year. He can go back to sleep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-59983362835358815072009-09-18T23:14:56.486-04:002009-09-18T23:14:56.486-04:00Part of my thought on the treatment center is that...Part of my thought on the treatment center is that it keeps first time offenders away from the really hardened inmmates and they stand a lower chance of recidivism. It also means that rturning veterans who act up and act out are treated as the PTSD cases they as opposed to criminal element.not so casual observernoreply@blogger.com