tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post2505202239846672870..comments2024-03-28T19:03:28.661-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: That's a Lot of Bed PansBernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-47532988310859711352010-04-17T20:53:33.998-04:002010-04-17T20:53:33.998-04:00And what is the defecit? What happens next year? ...And what is the defecit? What happens next year? You are fiscally irresponsible if you don't recognize what a stranglehold defined benefit pensions have been to municipal government everywhere.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-40596455869610224832010-04-17T20:48:06.495-04:002010-04-17T20:48:06.495-04:00HEY BO check out how much the pension fund made la...HEY BO check out how much the pension fund made last year,oh yeah the fund ONLY MADE 43 MILLION LAST YEAR STOP CRYING!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-9385277702339855762010-04-13T21:32:23.719-04:002010-04-13T21:32:23.719-04:00Argh!
All you Anonymous look alike to me...
And A...Argh!<br />All you Anonymous look alike to me...<br /><br />And Anonymous 440<br /><br />I'm a dastardly evil Republican and I know you're correct, that contracts have to be honored, and just because you're paid by the government that doesn't mean "you're here to serve us" and should be fired if you say otherwise...<br /><br />Just your typical Republican.Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02419749813954782484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-65205123322662779242010-04-13T17:36:15.914-04:002010-04-13T17:36:15.914-04:00Anon 440,
Lets not waste our time, it is clearly ...Anon 440,<br /><br />Lets not waste our time, it is clearly people like you and I that keep this discussion going. I will refrain from further comment and if you do the same, this thread will be dead in no time. <br /><br />O'Hare does not have a clue as to what happens and uses hearsay to spark a conflict. It is clear you know what goes on as well as I do. Again without the Anons O'Hare always whines about his blog is nothing, or else he would have disabled Anon a long time ago.<br /><br />Oh yes he tried that and it lasted about 2 days. I hope you take my lead. THanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-22110698098124615772010-04-13T16:40:41.821-04:002010-04-13T16:40:41.821-04:00BO THE OVERTIME IS NOT USED TO BEEF UP A PENSION T...BO THE OVERTIME IS NOT USED TO BEEF UP A PENSION THE OVERTIME IS TO FILL THE POSTS THAT NEED TO BE MANNED TO RUN THE PLACE ,IF NOBODY VOLUNTEERS THE OVERTIME WILL BE MANDATED AND SURE AS SHIT YOU AND OTHERS WILL STILL COMPLAIN ABOUT OVERTIME,PLEASE GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU RUN GOOD PEOPLE WHO WORK AND DO A GOOD JOB INTO THE GROUND.TYPICAL REPUBLICAN MOVE THANKS!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-69707096748842503292010-04-13T14:29:42.584-04:002010-04-13T14:29:42.584-04:00Yeah, there is a call list, and the idea is to all...Yeah, there is a call list, and the idea is to allow people to use it to beef up OT and build up a nioce fat pension. Yipee!Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-26606652223359325982010-04-13T14:05:57.102-04:002010-04-13T14:05:57.102-04:00Hey bo there is not a group of people that get tog...Hey bo there is not a group of people that get together and decide where the overtime goes,there is a call list that is used it goes from the top of the list to the bottom of the list so every employee gets a chance to work it if they want,alot of people choose not to work it and some choose to work it.Once again you dont have all the facts or know what your talking about!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-89916677486197074572010-04-13T13:19:35.063-04:002010-04-13T13:19:35.063-04:00"3) You cannot retroactively change a pension..."3) You cannot retroactively change a pension to decrease benefits, so the idea of calculating it on base will have to be something for new hires."<br /><br />Not just new hires. Most non-union are managers who are not allowed overtime. So you are not decreasing benefits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-21988120728578106992010-04-13T12:55:11.728-04:002010-04-13T12:55:11.728-04:00No you don't, if people want it they work it n...No you don't, if people want it they work it no matter who else wants it. If it is there turn to take it they can. It is not a random process. Again your source is incorrect. You may want to find a new one.<br /><br />My last comment was not a personal attack it was an example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-33469075224027622022010-04-13T11:59:47.844-04:002010-04-13T11:59:47.844-04:00Ahh, personal attacks. The last refuge of someone ...Ahh, personal attacks. The last refuge of someone losing an argument. <br /><br />I do have the facts. People "decline" to work OT and it goes to somoene beefing up his pension.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-80313046377032847812010-04-13T11:56:53.216-04:002010-04-13T11:56:53.216-04:00Bernie you are such an idiot. They don't sit a...Bernie you are such an idiot. They don't sit around and decide where the overtime goes. The mandated OT goes to the next person on the list. PERIOD. Again educate yourself before you make comments on thing you clearly have no idea what I am speaking of.<br /><br />That would be like me talking about an attorney that was disbarred. I am not educated enough to do so, so I don't bother. <br /><br />Get the facts!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-32024005732418597522010-04-13T10:25:05.670-04:002010-04-13T10:25:05.670-04:001) Any public servant who states he is not here to...1) Any public servant who states he is not here to serve the public, shuld be fired on the spot, even if the statement is made on a blog. <br /><br />2) Nobody should be penalized for pbeing willing to work. But when a group of you get together and decide the OT is going here and there this year, that's gaming the system. That's not fair to the public you serve. <br /><br />3) You cannot retroactively change a pension to decrease benefits, so the idea of calculating it on base will have to be something for new hires.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-41876356621781081062010-04-13T08:38:24.910-04:002010-04-13T08:38:24.910-04:00This one is for Ronny Boy.You sit on the pension b...This one is for Ronny Boy.You sit on the pension board now,maybe the people you have in charge of investing this money should be checked out and stop blaming the workers for actually working,why is that when the stock market was doing well you never heard a peep about overtime and pensions.The county went for years and never had to put monies into the fund,so when the market is down and you have to put money into the fund YOU RONNY BOY WANT TO CRUCIFY THE WORKERS.YOU ALS WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENS,HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ON COUNTY COUNCIL??ARE YOU REALLY THAT BLIND RONNY BOY(BULLDOG MY ASS)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-35988549726999701422010-04-13T08:13:27.057-04:002010-04-13T08:13:27.057-04:00First off the workers do contribute to the pension...First off the workers do contribute to the pension fund at a mandatory rate of 5% this is countywide,and can contribute up to 15%,anything above the 5% is put in voluntarily after taxes.Why in the hell are all the people who reply to this crap down on the workers? As for you Bernie how can you say workers take advantage of this after all they do not get this money for free,THEY WORK FOR IT!!!!! also the pension system is not a negotiable item in contracts!!SO LETS DEMONIZE ALL THEASE GOOD PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS AND GO TO WORK TO TAKE CARE OF THE BILLS THEY HAVE AND THE FAMILIES THEY ALSO HAVE GOD FORBID SOME ONE WORKS AROUND HERE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-4948309212332019782010-04-13T06:37:04.620-04:002010-04-13T06:37:04.620-04:00There are two different issues here. One, is overt...There are two different issues here. One, is overtime. Two, is the pension being tied to base salary and overtime. Simple answer for the politicians as I see it. Pension should be factored on base salary. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Now, let the "Bulldog(?)" fix it. Introduce an ordinance to change it on the non-union side, then have Stoffa negotiate the union side and don't have County Council vote in favor of the contract until the provision is in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-69820605663704823402010-04-13T06:22:36.226-04:002010-04-13T06:22:36.226-04:00Anon 12:52 AM
That's the economics behind it ...Anon 12:52 AM<br /><br />That's the economics behind it for anyone who'll bother to listen.<br /><br />Bernie, wanting too see someone fired for expressing themselves on a blog and insisting that following contract rules is wrong and "gaming"...<br />whateverWaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02419749813954782484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-50499456558687227812010-04-13T00:52:32.814-04:002010-04-13T00:52:32.814-04:00So I see Barron is fueling his drive to be County ...So I see Barron is fueling his drive to be County Executive by kissing up to the unions with a bogus audit saying the County should hire more employees.<br /><br />Wow, this guy better get a bit more experience before we hand him the County. OT is still cheaper by a long shot than a new hire. The new hire and family will get benefits, pay, and a job for life. So Mr. Barron suggests we solve a $100,000 problem by investing a $1,000,000 in a new employee.<br /><br />Great management skills. Another pol on the make for a career in the public trough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-89227736155863894902010-04-13T00:41:01.202-04:002010-04-13T00:41:01.202-04:00Again, if it was not available to be "gamed&q...Again, if it was not available to be "gamed" they wouldn't be doing it. I am sorry, but I can't blame someone for wanting to make a better living for themselves, especially when they are with in their right to do so. I see your concern, but again it is available, and the OT will never go away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-8311813469770902072010-04-13T00:38:15.678-04:002010-04-13T00:38:15.678-04:00It is a loing standing problem, it is not cut and ...It is a loing standing problem, it is not cut and dry, but you and I both know there is gaming.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-9643666471533914232010-04-13T00:35:30.893-04:002010-04-13T00:35:30.893-04:00Bernie, maybe you should ask to go inside the work...Bernie, maybe you should ask to go inside the workplaces in question and become familiar with their OT policies before you rush to blame someone for gaming the system. <br /><br />Most places that have shift work have a policy. And most of the policies give all employees an equal opportunity to work the OT.<br /><br />Now with the amount of employees that work at these sites that sure is a lot of string pulling to "game the system." <br /><br />I don't mind your opinion, but at least educate yourself with the facts before jumping to conclusions.<br /><br />It certainly is not as cut and dry as you want to make it. After all this has been a long standing problem with this County.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-14479856868918234002010-04-13T00:29:38.819-04:002010-04-13T00:29:38.819-04:00When an employee approaching retirement puts in lo...When an employee approaching retirement puts in lots of OT bc the others are "unavailable," that is gaming the system to drive up a pension, which is paid by all of us. So yes, Wayne's words do fall on deaf ears.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-7607830985933703632010-04-13T00:26:58.561-04:002010-04-13T00:26:58.561-04:00Well said Wayne, but it will fall of deaf ears bec...Well said Wayne, but it will fall of deaf ears because that is not what Bernie believes. Therefore you will be wrong and taking advantage of the system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-56157497992027083492010-04-13T00:23:32.173-04:002010-04-13T00:23:32.173-04:00Anyone who has worked in a shift operation were OT...Anyone who has worked in a shift operation were OT is needed is grateful to have people volunteer to work it. Without them others have to be <b>forced</b> to work more hours. And playing by the rules is not abusing the rules.Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02419749813954782484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-36294882685260366372010-04-13T00:13:18.795-04:002010-04-13T00:13:18.795-04:00Speaking of multiple pensions. Maybe you should l...Speaking of multiple pensions. Maybe you should look at some of the people in power in the county.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-86224318054907119472010-04-13T00:05:48.411-04:002010-04-13T00:05:48.411-04:00Any public sector employee who fails to recognize ...Any public sector employee who fails to recognize that he works for the rest of us and is a public servant, should be fired on the spot. We do not exist so they can fund two or three pensions with our money.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.com