tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post1353002930719284690..comments2024-03-29T07:30:32.810-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: Third Circuit Agrees NorCo Violated Due Process Rights of Ex-SolicitorBernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-37079559868789128822016-09-12T16:57:04.817-04:002016-09-12T16:57:04.817-04:00anon 6:24, agree the county has never had a fair h...anon 6:24, agree the county has never had a fair hiring an promotion policy. I saw first hand what you describing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-7256365242299287302016-09-11T22:12:32.121-04:002016-09-11T22:12:32.121-04:00As I have indicated twice now, how Mancini was hir...As I have indicated twice now, how Mancini was hired is irrelevant to the question whether she was afforded due process. That is what both courts concluded. This was no hit piece on Brown, but was a factual accounting of a judicial ruling against the county. Your reaction and willingness to blame everyone else is an indication of your own agenda. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-69615251953784680942016-09-11T18:24:55.481-04:002016-09-11T18:24:55.481-04:00Is this a serious discussion or not? One of many h...Is this a serious discussion or not? One of many hit pieces on Brown. Yet he is only doing what his predecessor did or trying to clean up some of the mess's he was left. That is what this lawsuit is about. The problem is you are more interested in slamming Brown that having an honest discussion. The Mancini hire was BS. It was like most personnel decisions by the Stoffa Admisntration, all about what they wanted to do and the Hell with any rules. In fact Brown got advice after his election from the Republicans on council that had worked hand in glove with Stoffa and even Stoffa himself. Whether it was the fiasco in the Registrar of Wills or the deal with a county vendor to give his appointee a job and violate county law. The entire Admisntration job policy was who do you know and don't worry about it.<br /><br />As for the love of employees, you are really selling a rotten apple on that one. Brown is not at all liked for his benefit cuts. Stoffa was not trusted at all. The real employees know how he tried to fire over a third of the county employees and played one union off against the other. Of course people will tell you they love him because they read your blog and know you would destroy them if they were honest about Stoffa. <br />The only difference between Brown and Stoffa is that Stoffa had the newspapers and your blog covering his ass on everything and Brown is crucified for doing the same things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-79394376844262684202016-09-11T14:35:46.638-04:002016-09-11T14:35:46.638-04:00" Stoffa was a schmuk when it came to treatin...<em>" Stoffa was a schmuk when it came to treating employees fairly. Brown unfortunately is twice as bad."</em><br /><br />The employees of Northampton County would love to have Stoffa as their boss again, now that they've witnesses Brown. Unlike Brown, who pretended to be friendly when he was first in office and had so-called Brown bag lunches, Stoffa knew who people were by their name and listened to them. Ask the custodians what they thought of Stoffa. <br /><br />But this post is NOT about him, and the attempt to drag him in to this is an off topic and anonymous slur intended to divert attention away from this ruling. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-50428871806761781082016-09-11T14:27:33.490-04:002016-09-11T14:27:33.490-04:00"So while it may be politically correct on ti...<em>"So while it may be politically correct on tis blog to attack Brown. he was not the person who created all these employee irregularities."</em> <br /><br />Unless John Stoffa put a gun n to Brown's head and told him to fire Mancini,this is all on Brown and his Solicitor, Vic Scomillio. Whether she was hired improperly, and I think she was, that is no basis for stepping on her constitutional rights. Two courts and one jury have now reached this conclusion. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-22449813842150148352016-09-11T11:19:53.254-04:002016-09-11T11:19:53.254-04:00The Register of Wills position was handled properl...The Register of Wills position was handled properly. There was no violation of any rules. This urban myth was created by the disgruntled who didn't get the job. So enough bullshit on that situation. Stoffa allowed Mancini to be hired by her boyfriend. His only fault in hindsight was to trust Karl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-90013883614692940182016-09-11T09:09:36.452-04:002016-09-11T09:09:36.452-04:005:35AM You are partly correct. Northampton County ...5:35AM You are partly correct. Northampton County sued Stoffa over the numerous violations of Career Service Regulations during his administration and Council won. Look at how he screwed over the employee in the Registrar of Wills Office and gave the job to Mancini's secretary. Stoffa was bad news for the County Employees and their rights and all the trouble we have today is because Stoffa ignored the rules. His administration hired Mancini. Bernie is right. This doesn't give Brown the right to violate the rules and ignore someone's right to due process. Stoffa was a schmuk when it came to treating employees fairly. Brown unfortunately is twice as bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-25196723027070229292016-09-11T05:35:15.687-04:002016-09-11T05:35:15.687-04:00Don't piss on Brown. He inherited a hiring and...Don't piss on Brown. He inherited a hiring and operational mess. This was a screwed up hire to begin with. Rules were bent and personal relationships came in to play. You had county law violated by allowing an appointed director to be hired by one of his contractors. You had problems with promotions within certain departments. It was a real mess that Stoffa handed Brown. So while it may be politically correct on tis blog to attack Brown. he was not the person who created all these employee irregularities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-67921280227826589062016-09-10T23:28:37.778-04:002016-09-10T23:28:37.778-04:00Brown has been a stumblebum since day one. He will...Brown has been a stumblebum since day one. He will get slaughtered in the AG election. The most compelling evidence of his incompetence is his trust in that two bit hack Cathy Allen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-63963269343341071142016-09-10T18:08:55.861-04:002016-09-10T18:08:55.861-04:00This is Northampton county, what do you expect? Fr...This is Northampton county, what do you expect? From jobs from vendors to ignoring test scores on new hires. This is how it has been done for many years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-2312182507483929082016-09-10T14:50:22.057-04:002016-09-10T14:50:22.057-04:00Gee, how lucky we are to have an anonymous reader ...Gee, how lucky we are to have an anonymous reader who knows more than me or the courts. This display of "common sense" by the county is going to cost taxpayers well over $400,000 to say nothing of soft costs. It may very well have been a sham reorganization. Brown had no idea what the budget was in that office, and both he and Scomillio said they wanted to get rid of Mancini. Establishing just cause would take too long, so they stepped all over her constitutional rights. According to the circuit court opinion, the county actually argued it had the right to concoct a sham reorganization to get rid of someone. Making that kind of argument to a court created to protect the constitution is just incredibly stupid. It did not play well with citizens either. They rejected Scomillio in favor of a guy who said everyone, big and small, has a right to be heard. While i doubt this ruling will have much impact on Brown's statewide race, it will hurt him if he dares run for Exec again. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-91039768265440564932016-09-10T13:04:53.104-04:002016-09-10T13:04:53.104-04:00It was not a "sham reorganization." It m...It was not a "sham reorganization." It made perfect sense. But the courts and you have no common sense so what else is new? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-63034994307903160752016-09-10T12:21:39.826-04:002016-09-10T12:21:39.826-04:0011:32, It makes no difference what you, I, or anyo...11:32, It makes no difference what you, I, or anyone thinks of Mancini. She is entitled to due process, and did not get it. The court was made aware that the incoming administration had little regard for her abilities, but that is no excuse for a sham reorganization to deprive her of her constitutional rights. A jury, district court judge and now, the second highest court in this country, all agree. Repeating the same bad argument is no help.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-91581265640466376782016-09-10T11:32:46.987-04:002016-09-10T11:32:46.987-04:0011:10, I did not lose, the taxpayers of the county...11:10, I did not lose, the taxpayers of the county lost. Jill took full advantage of her hiring opportunity. To portray her as a victim is ludicrous. Her benefactor boyfriend should have lost his job for fraternizing with a subordinate. Jill was the biggest complainer in the county about her compensation. She used Karl to beg council to give her a raise. Oh yeah, that was certainly admirable for your martyr Mancini. The reorganization was designed to eliminate FT assistant solicitor positions, thus saving the county money on pension costs and other FT benefits. The other FT assistant solicitor Mike was dismissed as well, but he did not moan and groan like drama queen Jill. It is absurd to make Jill a martyr when she took advantage of every loophole and favoritism in the county to get her job, and to try to benefit herself financially. It is a shame the county was unable to make a better case dispelling her cries of first amendment violations. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-18059954343973266512016-09-10T11:15:27.183-04:002016-09-10T11:15:27.183-04:00Bernie, you are absolutely correct in your comment...Bernie, you are absolutely correct in your comments. An additional 100,000 dollars is a small number. You not only have the attorney's fees, you have lost wages plus other issues here. She may even sue for her job back. Hardee, Har, har.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-51457912049148731592016-09-10T11:15:07.521-04:002016-09-10T11:15:07.521-04:00The 5 councilmen and the one executive who keep us...The 5 councilmen and the one executive who keep us in this mess are ALL up for re-election next year.<br /><br />who wants to bet that the people forget and the only ones to come out and vote will be the Fringe Trump/Tea baggers?<br /><br />prediction<br /><br />R = 5 wins<br />D = 0 wins<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1642796917787316292016-09-10T11:14:50.297-04:002016-09-10T11:14:50.297-04:006:59, Your question is answered here. http://lehig...6:59, Your question is answered here. http://lehighvalleyramblings.blogspot.com/2015/01/norco-spent-49000-defending-mancini.html . The county had spent nearly $50k for their lawyers by this time last year. Their deductible is $50k, so the county has probably paid all it is going to have to pay its lawyers. This will no doubt have an impact on furture premiums. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-35202585122855872662016-09-10T11:10:56.560-04:002016-09-10T11:10:56.560-04:00Career Service employees have been hired for decad...Career Service employees have been hired for decades the same way that she was hired. Take a look at the "Doctor's position" at the Prison. She is qualified by her degree in law and he is qualified by his Degree in Medicine. There is a solicitor's opinion confirming the practice. It may not seem right to you but it is the County Law. Even giving your concept the benefit of the doubt, she as an individual did nothing wrong. She is not responsible for the hiring practices of the County and it was not her concern (nor should it be) how the County Conducted the interview. Once she was hired, it became the County's responsibility to follow the law even if they didn't follow the law when she was hired. She was there for more than a year and no one complained, not even County Council. The Courts sided with her. SORRY YOU LOSE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-87568899440040506432016-09-10T11:06:06.600-04:002016-09-10T11:06:06.600-04:0010:23, It's pretty clear that career service r...10:23, It's pretty clear that career service regulations were ignored in hiring her, either bc the fix was in or bc the county has a tendency to screw up everything. This argument was made, and it was rejected by the jury, the court below, and this one. You are just repeating the same point made in the first comment. A bad argument does not get better as a result of repeating it over and over. The fact that the county failed to follow its own rules is no reason to penalize an employee. And i am astonished that the county would actually argue that a sham reorganization could be done to target an employee. That is bad faith. To even make that argument demonstrates a lack of a moral compass. There is little doubt in my mind that the county will be paying another $100k in attorney fees. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-48661808677769293682016-09-10T10:23:42.898-04:002016-09-10T10:23:42.898-04:00No testing may be required, but career service reg...No testing may be required, but career service regulations require that there be three qualified candidates to be considered for the position and interviews. All of that was bypassed to hire Karl's darling. She was hired as if she were exempt, pure and simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-77100900268976068042016-09-10T09:59:08.013-04:002016-09-10T09:59:08.013-04:008:12 You just don't get it. She, by her law de...8:12 You just don't get it. She, by her law degree automatically qualifies her to be hired as the asst. solicitor without any testing. She was hired within the guidelines of the Career Service Regulations. But obviously you know more than the Judges who heard this case. Were you there when she was hired? What are your sources. Mine are the Home Rule Charter and the Career Services Regulations and A legal determination made by a appellant court. They all totally disagree with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-51650237127012180602016-09-10T08:12:17.966-04:002016-09-10T08:12:17.966-04:007:15 thank you Karl or Jill for your input. No one...7:15 thank you Karl or Jill for your input. No one said Mancini wasn't qualified for the job. But the county, ironically in this case it's legal representative hired Jill by ignoring career service regulations. Karl hired her as if she was an exempt employee. She was hired illegally then runs to the courts like a spoiled baby when she is dismissed. Karma is a bitch though. She will never work in government again. Unless her sugar daddies Karl or Scott get elected CE. Chances of that are none and none.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-28318565989621997272016-09-10T07:33:08.244-04:002016-09-10T07:33:08.244-04:00Brown and his cadres, [we know who they are], beli...Brown and his cadres, [we know who they are], believe partisanship politics rule over law. Once again this moron, {who has a limited and shady background}, was proved wrong costing the county thousands of more dollars. Thank God his days are numbered one way or the other. Maybe we can then focus on the council people who support him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-12059481455564018822016-09-10T07:15:18.818-04:002016-09-10T07:15:18.818-04:00Anonymous 1:15 seems to be a little bitter about t...Anonymous 1:15 seems to be a little bitter about this case. this person is a vicious individual who has to be part of the Brown Administration. This person claims Mancini, without competition, which means she never took a competitive exam for the job, was improperly hired. There is a County legal opinion by a Council Solicitor that stated, lawyers, doctors, and professionals in certain fields are automatically deemed qualified by their education in the appropriate field and don't have to take competitive tests.<br />It is the arrogance of Scomillio and Brown that got the County in this mess, not Mancini and that arrogance is what defeated Scomillio for judge. Brown has treated the County employees like crap and still does till this day.<br />This isn't over yet. More costs will be forthcoming. At least another one hundred to two hundred thousand dollars because Brown is too dumb and arrogant to do the right thing. That's okay but remember this, as long as this issue stays in the headlines, Scomillio doesn't ever have to worry about being elected to a judgeship, and Brown doesn't have to worry about being re-elected Executive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-28121275151059111182016-09-10T06:59:24.036-04:002016-09-10T06:59:24.036-04:00Now the tru questions, how much extra did this cos...Now the tru questions, how much extra did this cost the county? Is it paid by our insurance? Is that going to now go up in cost? Why did brown not listen to councilman Scott parsons when he told them not to appeal along with County Council Ds?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com