tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post4859755683857512592..comments2024-03-28T05:39:03.366-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: LVRamblings Excommunicated By LV Tea PartyBernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-61844717068437525392011-04-03T03:03:38.845-04:002011-04-03T03:03:38.845-04:00Wayne,
A few points about "fact" checki...Wayne,<br /><br />A few points about "fact" checking. <br /><br />1) My recitation concerning Carl Edwards is accurate and is confirmed by his own comments here.<br /><br />2) Your principle #8 is what it is, and encourages the free expression of personal opinion, especially opinion that questions authority.<br /><br />3) It would seem that your principle #8 should take priority over your bylaws.<br /><br />4) You have unevenly applied your bylaws. My actions, which really are designed to improve the group, warrant excommunication. But Mr. Edwards can make bigoted comments on your site and nobody even notices, to say nothing of taking him to task. Moreover, I have learned that in prior instances, there were warnings. Another annoying little fact. <br /><br />5) Do you really think that it is Joe Hilliard who exposed the kids for cash scheme in Luzerne? Isn't that just a tad nutty?<br /><br />6) Don't you feel just a little ashamed that your group will try to slap down a critic, but do nothing about a bigot? <br /><br />If you want to return to the Constitution, you might want to start with the Bill of Rights. And chief among these is the First Amendment.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-81006269172804425202011-04-03T02:42:43.647-04:002011-04-03T02:42:43.647-04:00To the above poster... you're unsubstantiated ...To the above poster... you're unsubstantiated claims are noted and please refrain from sticking your words in my mouth, I don't know where you had them last.<br /><br />The administration won't even accept the modest proposals of it's own commission. <br /><br />I'm not collecting SS.<br /><br />I'm not saying take it away from people who are dependent on it now.<br /><br />All we (I think most most Tea Party sort will agree) are asking is that something must be done to transition to a system that will work and remain solvent. But no matter what ANYBODY proposes there's a frantic scream and we're back to the deer in the spotlight response from politicians. Don't touch that!<br /><br />So when I or anyone else suggests that a transition to personal accounts or some other idea should be considered we're called nuts. And if we don't point out alternative ideas you say there's no substance. Once again, thinking you can have it both ways because the main goal is to demonize.<br /><br />So where is you're idea to fix Social Security?Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02419749813954782484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-58793301037917429622011-04-03T02:15:11.438-04:002011-04-03T02:15:11.438-04:00Again Wayne, your group points out for the elevent...Again Wayne, your group points out for the eleventh million time there is a fire in the kitchen and you don't like the way the firemen are handling it. Yet you never offer an alternative other than stop the fire.<br /><br />So you are angry that politicians of both party screwed over the social security fund with their sticky fingers. Now what?<br /><br />You scream piss and moan. You folks play holier than thou. When questioned on whether you would give up your social security, pensions or disability you scream you payed into it, and are entitled. No shit, that's what everyone says.<br /><br />So how about less verbiage on the obvious and a little more substance on the how.<br /><br />Maybe people would take your movement more seriously than just a place that goes from wacky(Palin) to just plain nutty(Bachmann).<br /><br />Sister, Please!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-88955162311489474242011-04-03T00:12:04.443-04:002011-04-03T00:12:04.443-04:00To David Flintlock,
I'm sorry to hear that th...To David Flintlock,<br /><br />I'm sorry to hear that the little sermonettes that I posted on my blog are upsetting you. That's too bad but quite frankly I'll post whatever I see fit to post on MY personal blog. <br /><br />If you bothered to look around it a little you'll notice it's called the "UNofficial official blog" with a page explaining that title and the evolution of the blog:<br /><br />http://lvtp912.blogspot.com/p/what-is-this.html <br /><br />Obviously you fact check as well as Bernie does. <br /><br />And just what exactly in those posts make them extreme right wing? Or is any mention of God, Christ, & the Bible automatically scary right wing to you? Why the prejudice?<br /><br />And in regards to morality... really what isn't tied to morality? Not wanting to *significantly* reduce Social Security is a moral issue. And if a poll said we wanted it to be yanked away from the elderly you and Greg and whoever wouldn't be up in arms over that? Come on - whatever a poll might say could be used against us either way, that's obvious. Oh, unless we like the status quo...<br /><br />We're against the status quo that refuses to do anything about the demographic crunch that SS is in. Go and stick your head in the sand with them and imagine you're on some high moral ground.<br /><br />It's amazing to watch this twisted logic here, where the so called tools, fools, and creation of the R party are simultaneously accused of refusing to support anyone who contacts R leadership or personally endorses Republicans. <br /><br />It's really pitiful to see people who simply want a better future for their children and grandchildren and not have it spent away by this generation being attacked like this. End of sermon.Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02419749813954782484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-40897736328548354272011-04-01T10:27:26.477-04:002011-04-01T10:27:26.477-04:00>>They are being used as a tool by corporate...>>They are being used as a tool by corporate America to lower their tax rates, to lower expectation of worker compensation, and to reduce the tax burden of the wealthiest 1% to all time lows.<<<br /><br />Exactly. An excellent series of points.Greg Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16130586577590547845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-76914402782446303492011-04-01T09:37:03.656-04:002011-04-01T09:37:03.656-04:00That is why the Left is rapidly dying.
You do kno...<i>That is why the Left is rapidly dying.</i><br /><br />You do know who the President of the United States is, right? The Senate is controlled by whom again. <br /><br />You are downright delusional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-79509830246498855272011-04-01T09:34:23.933-04:002011-04-01T09:34:23.933-04:00The T-Party is nothing but a group that has been f...<i>The T-Party is nothing but a group that has been funded to run a change message for the republican party. It's just that simple. We've seen this same phenomenon previously with the "religious right" on social issues. The T-Party is just the latest iteration of this sort of thing.</i><br /><br />Right. They don't want to cut THEIR entitlements, just others whom they feel have not earned them. Namely, public workers, welfare recipients, single mothers programs like WIC, etc. All of these people are lazy and need to get jobs making widgets. <br /><br />They don't want to cut defense either. So that leaves NPR and PBS and national parks and other niceties that have very little effect on the tax burden of normal Americans. <br /><br />They are being used as a tool by corporate America to lower their tax rates, to lower expectation of worker compensation, and to reduce the tax burden of the wealthiest 1% to all time lows.The Central Scrutinizernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-18841273770199220312011-04-01T09:27:45.950-04:002011-04-01T09:27:45.950-04:00Reality is most everyone who enters the system cha...<i>Reality is most everyone who enters the system changes once elected. </i><br /><br />In most cases, reality strikes them hard in the face. Goofy teabagger talking points don't exist in the real world of 2011.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-23013189831344080312011-04-01T09:25:32.524-04:002011-04-01T09:25:32.524-04:00This is what happens.
In 2012, the electorate wil...This is what happens.<br /><br />In 2012, the electorate will look back and see the effects of the drastic cuts to education and public services. They will see their children have even less opportunity in their schools and things their families counted on in the past will be gone. To top it off, taxes will be the same. A backlash is already brewing. The Tea Party becomes a detriment and Obama gets elected by an even wider margin than in 2008.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-90971548692857245102011-04-01T05:30:08.255-04:002011-04-01T05:30:08.255-04:00>>Greg, I have something specific to the LV ...>>Greg, I have something specific to the LV Tea Party that blows my mind. It will knock your socks off.<<<br /><br />Bernie, that ought to be interesting to read and I look forward to it, but I must say that I'll probably not be overly shocked. Nothing shocks me anymore about the things that folks do.<br /><br />From my perspective, the T-party is as I suggested--a movement that has been funded to run a change message for elements within the republican party and as such it has served to obfuscate the very real issues that face the nation. It's hard to have a reasoned discussion when charges of socialism rend the air. <br /><br />The vast majority of the comments here reveal that people have seen through them and I think the fate of the T-party has been sealed. A year from now, they'll be in the same sort of status that Sarah Palin is in---not seen and not heard. They, like Palin, were created media entities whose continued usefulness is questionable now that the mid-terms are over. Again, mark my words--a year from now people will be saying "T-party who?".Greg Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16130586577590547845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-81490143641873788052011-04-01T05:17:17.053-04:002011-04-01T05:17:17.053-04:00Bernie,
You claim the we complained the Mat viola...Bernie,<br /><br />You claim the we complained the Mat violated the bylaws.<br /><br />Huh? Should we ignore our bylaws? Sorry, we are not a bunch of politicians who ignore rules for convenience.<br /><br />By the way, you have been FULLY informed of the process per our bylaws of the appeal process due to your remove. Sorry, a post on a comment page does not qualify. As of today, you have about 3 weeks to mail a simple letter.<br /><br />But, many of us are betting you won't. Because you are full of bluster and BS.<br /><br />So again, follow our bylaws as we indicated to you and you will have a full appeal process. Set your own rules and standards and you won't have such an appeal.<br /><br />Facts are facts. Bernieisms are Bernieisms.<br /><br />Come on.... it's a simple letter...Joe Hilliardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-6071718877052396402011-04-01T04:59:21.000-04:002011-04-01T04:59:21.000-04:00Mr. Geeting,
We are organizing in every neighborh...Mr. Geeting,<br /><br />We are organizing in every neighborhood. In fact, we are not organizing fast enough as unions and leftist "community activists" are retreating faster.<br /><br />Why does a leader in the SEIU admit that "unions are dead" and "community organizations are dead"? Why did ACORN have to disband? Why are Freddie and Fannie being disbanded? Where is Organizing for America? Why is George Soros scrambling back into the shadows?<br /><br />Hmm. Perhaps because they are being killed by facts?<br /><br />Good luck Mr. Geeting, and I look forward to battling with you in the public forum on issue after issue. When can we debate? <br /><br />We are developing the EXACT same structure that the Left has used. And when we use facts, the Left loses time and time again.<br /><br />Why? Because the Left loses on two basic premises. They ignore common sense and they rely on anger/envy. That is why the Left is rapidly dying.Joe Hilliardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1983583745350075812011-04-01T01:39:13.936-04:002011-04-01T01:39:13.936-04:00Am watching their standard bearer Rand Paul go dow...Am watching their standard bearer Rand Paul go down in flames for lying on fox news. <br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-42982129199183734682011-03-31T23:58:19.276-04:002011-03-31T23:58:19.276-04:00Greg, I have something specific to the LV Tea Part...Greg, I have something specific to the LV Tea Party that blows my mind. It will knock your socks off.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-42781927405518875062011-03-31T23:28:35.897-04:002011-03-31T23:28:35.897-04:00>>I have a strong feeling that most of the p...>>I have a strong feeling that most of the people involved, if answering honestly, would not give up any of their benefits.<<<br /><br />Actually, there has been an poll and it was found that most T-party members would reject cuts to social security, medicare or education to cure the deficit:<br /><br />http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com/?p=3112<br /><br />The T-Party is nothing but a group that has been funded to run a change message for the republican party. It's just that simple. We've seen this same phenomenon previously with the "religious right" on social issues. The T-Party is just the latest iteration of this sort of thing.<br /><br />Most, if you question closely, can not support anything that they're supposedly complaining about with anything other than slogans and now that the mid-terms are over, I look for the republican establishment to ditch them pretty quickly just as they've done Sarah Palin.Greg Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16130586577590547845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-40878931128566068322011-03-31T23:22:01.649-04:002011-03-31T23:22:01.649-04:00The teabaggers are just a harmless bunch of conspi...The teabaggers are just a harmless bunch of conspiracy theory old coots.<br /><br />They long for the 1950's, as long as they can collect their pensions, Social Security,Disability and Medicare.<br /><br />Everyone else, stay off the grass.<br /><br />Tommy C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-11611618491569356762011-03-31T22:08:21.497-04:002011-03-31T22:08:21.497-04:00They're coming to get you Martha!
And by that...They're coming to get you Martha!<br /><br />And by that I mean Kimmy S. and Joey H. with their arms out in front zombie-style!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-46281309958807379992011-03-31T21:41:29.223-04:002011-03-31T21:41:29.223-04:00Hit the nail on the head anonymous 2:30pm!!!!Hit the nail on the head anonymous 2:30pm!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-75423962102579693512011-03-31T15:29:34.083-04:002011-03-31T15:29:34.083-04:00"PS. The skullcap worn by Jewish males at pra...<em>"PS. The skullcap worn by Jewish males at prayer is spelled "yarmulka" (or yarmulke)"</em><br /><br />'Slicha. I'm a stupid Gentile.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-14977631587704951672011-03-31T14:30:25.487-04:002011-03-31T14:30:25.487-04:00Battle Cry of Freedom,
I think you are partially ...Battle Cry of Freedom,<br /><br />I think you are partially correct. To be effective a political movement needs to both move into the political system and then act to change government as they say they they will. Reality is most everyone who enters the system changes once elected. Just look at the new members of Congress who ran on getting rid of the new health care legislation and then complained that their health care benefits didn't start immediately. How quick some get to feel entitled!!!<br /><br />The bigger problem with this group is that it is not, nor has it ever been a grassroots movement. The neo-cons have been a part of this from the beginning and have used big money to shape their message. And locally, you have Joe Hilliard involved in the leadership? Yeah,, he hasn't been involved in politics in the past.<br /><br />I think it would be interesting to take a poll of the "active" local Tea Party members and ask the following questions:<br /><br />1. Do you receive Social Security and/or Medicare benefits? <br /><br />1a. If "yes," would you be willing to have these benefits reduced or not- increased in the future in order to reduce current government spending and the Federal Deficit?<br /><br />1b. If "no," would you be willing to reduce or give up your future benefits in order to reduce the Federal Deficit?<br /><br />3. Do you collect a pension from any government (Federal, State or local) or will you be eligible for future pension benefits? If "yes" would you be willing to have your benefits reduced to what they would be based on only your personal contributions to eliminate the burden on taxpayers?<br /><br />2. Over the past 25 years, how many elections (including primaries)have you voted in that were not Presidential election years?<br /><br />I have a strong feeling that most of the people involved, if answering honestly, would not give up any of their benefits. <br /><br />And given that local elections typically have poor turnouts, many in the 10-20% range, I find it hard to believe that many of these now engaged Tea Party members have been paying attention for more than the last year or so. <br /><br />To summarize, the problem is the Tea Party, on all levels, is not a grassroots organization, it has seasoned politicians sending a message that sounds good but doesn't work to people who have rarely paid attention. <br /><br />PubliusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-66251023738302806422011-03-31T14:29:33.418-04:002011-03-31T14:29:33.418-04:00I thought the tea party didn't really exist. ...I thought the tea party didn't really exist. They certainly are under the skin of lots of posters; yet the movement continues to grow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-46785547320803176172011-03-31T14:23:36.847-04:002011-03-31T14:23:36.847-04:00"While there might be minor disagreements amo..."While there might be minor disagreements among members from time-to-time, I'm certain no one has lost sight of what the real problem is - big government and those who support it."<br /><br />Are you for real? Minor disagreements? I'm reading excommunication statements and what ammounts to a loyalty oath from a group that loves democracy so much that they will do all necessary to protect it: including squash the first amendment and burn the Declaration of Independance. Good grief, it sounds more like a parody of the Bush years. "You're either with us or you're against us." What next? What's legal is what we say is legal? <br /><br />Seriously... "Baghdad Bob" Geeting? Are you going to call him a terrorist sympathizer too? <br /><br />And nobody underestimated the Tea Party in 2010. What was under-estimated was the apathey of Democrats who turned out to vote in 2006 and 2008 but were too lazy to be bothered in 2010. Watch... the GOP candidate in 2012 will get fewer votes that McCain did in 2008. Why? B/c the GOP will either put forward a limp noodle (Romney/Pawlenty) or a fringe candidate that would make Goldwater look liberal and Reagan look like a commie. <br /><br />The Tea Party is behaving as poorly as hard lefties were behaving in 2003/4. The result: Big Bush wins in 2004. If the Tea Party can figure out how to morph, it has a future, but I'm not putting my lunch on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-839126944841340642011-03-31T14:00:03.488-04:002011-03-31T14:00:03.488-04:00Wow! Looks like Geeting and the others have been ...Wow! Looks like Geeting and the others have been reading the Democrat talking points about attacking the Tea Party.<br /><br />Of course "Baghdad Bob" Geeting and the others are correct, the Tea Party won't be a force in 2012 - just like they weren't in 2010 when so many big-government politicians got their clocks cleaned.<br /><br />I'm sure no one in the Tea Party expected the battle to be over in one election. While there might be minor disagreements among members from time-to-time, I'm certain no one has lost sight of what the real problem is - big government and those who support it.Patrick McHenrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-76761070205213254202011-03-31T13:02:03.648-04:002011-03-31T13:02:03.648-04:00Way to go, Bernie -- you're an equal opportuni...Way to go, Bernie -- you're an equal opportunity offender! How many others can claim that title;)<br /> <br /><br />PS. The skullcap worn by Jewish males at prayer is spelled "yarmulka" (or yarmulke)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-90203534949156798752011-03-31T12:11:40.420-04:002011-03-31T12:11:40.420-04:00The local Tea Party will collapse because of the l...The local Tea Party will collapse because of the likes of Joe and Kim. They have failed to move to the next level where they or members of the group actually get involved in the political process. They have not provided information on how to run a campaign nor have they encourage members to run. <br />If you do not like the political process and you do not want to support those who are doing what you want politicans to do, cut taxes and limit the power of government, I would suggest that you form a kniitting club.The Battle Cry of Freedomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375663013875506308noreply@blogger.com