tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post4545630612045419059..comments2024-03-29T04:03:32.376-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: Why Dent Voted For Cut, Cap & Balance ActBernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-27677799727170925382011-07-22T10:26:24.267-04:002011-07-22T10:26:24.267-04:00"Whatever deal emerges from White House debt-..."Whatever deal emerges from White House debt-ceiling talks, the push to avoid a default comes down to what will fly in the GOP-controlled House."<br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/trillion-dollar-debt-ceiling-talks-pass-house-004800475.html<br /><br />The "what is the Presidents plan or what is the Democratic plan" talking points are moot..<br /><br />SeamusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-19838289874935335702011-07-22T08:17:27.968-04:002011-07-22T08:17:27.968-04:00Sorry Donna recheck your math, the R's hold th...Sorry Donna recheck your math, the R's hold the house and have been doing one hell of a job keeping the voting block together.<br /><br />And do you people think the negotiations are not documented. Who holds meetings and don't document the proceedings? It has not been written into a bill because there is no sense in doing so until a consensus is met. Why waste days of wrangling when things can actually be getting done. We don't need shows, we need actions.<br /><br />Seamus<br /><br />SeamusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-62070189186474800982011-07-22T07:43:11.765-04:002011-07-22T07:43:11.765-04:00Seamus asked: "And what chance in hell would ...Seamus asked: "And what chance in hell would a democratic only plan have of getting through congress "<br /><br />Since the House and Senate are split, about the same chance as a Republican-only plan....of course, we can't KNOW that, since there hasn't been a plan from the Democrats or the President.<br /><br />Of course, when the House and Senate and the White House WERE all under Democratic control, we got ObamaCare.....<br /><br />So maybe gridlock IS better....Donna Baver Rovitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00799126860604172528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-81319083937863899062011-07-22T00:15:03.551-04:002011-07-22T00:15:03.551-04:00Seamus -
The whole point is that none of the thin...Seamus -<br /><br />The whole point is that none of the things you mention have been reduced to writing. <br /><br />Put one or two or three of the proposals into the form of a bill, and then compare them. Vote on them to see where there is support. It's not all that difficult.<br /><br />Talk is cheap. Putting something in writing takes guts - and leadership.Patrick McHenrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-34943054193267753522011-07-21T20:13:42.121-04:002011-07-21T20:13:42.121-04:00Patrick what have they been doing in the talks at ...Patrick what have they been doing in the talks at the whitehouse....What was Biden doing with congressional leaders for months....What has the gang of six been doing? Oh, that's right trying to build consensus on a plan!<br /><br />And what chance in hell would a democratic only plan have of getting through congress and the do nothing party of no.....that's right....none....so stop talking nonsense please it makes you look bad<br /><br />SeamusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-31578676630669565762011-07-21T17:48:00.976-04:002011-07-21T17:48:00.976-04:00Newsline - America Held Hostage by Democrats, Day ...Newsline - America Held Hostage by Democrats, Day XXX:<br /><br />Still no plan for solving the debt crisis from either the President or Congressional Democrats. <br /><br />American people as if Cut, Cap & Balance is so terrible, where is the democrat alternative?Patrick McHenrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-82742694412369192782011-07-21T17:19:47.122-04:002011-07-21T17:19:47.122-04:00He also voted to end medicare. Nuffsaid!He also voted to end medicare. Nuffsaid!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-43690052082615301072011-07-21T16:09:39.093-04:002011-07-21T16:09:39.093-04:00Well your "academic exercise" is being d...Well your "academic exercise" is being debated today in the senate. Many republicans say it may get through to test Obama's veto threat. Wouldn't that be nice, playing chicken with the world economy.<br /><br />SeamusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-56695116933814086562011-07-21T13:01:34.114-04:002011-07-21T13:01:34.114-04:00its a D+2 district Bernie....how can a conservativ...its a D+2 district Bernie....how can a conservative (by voting records)properly represent the district? He just voted to reconnect to his conservative roots remember. As to it being an "academic exercise" That is ridiculous. He voted for a bill that could very easily become law. HE voted, not anyone else and needs to be held accountable for it.<br /><br />SeamusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-58196694926694581082011-07-21T09:11:33.293-04:002011-07-21T09:11:33.293-04:00I've been hearing that Dent is out of touch si...I've been hearing that Dent is out of touch since he was first elected Maybe it's time for you to consider the possibility that you are out of touch.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-2031097822316729242011-07-21T08:57:58.090-04:002011-07-21T08:57:58.090-04:00Time for Charlie to go! He is out of touch with hi...Time for Charlie to go! He is out of touch with his district.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-4257281740609057662011-07-21T07:41:38.380-04:002011-07-21T07:41:38.380-04:00dent would be more credible on this, had he pushed...dent would be more credible on this, had he pushed for it ANYTIME during the last ten years of our government's budgetary gorge-fest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-15848406941155993652011-07-21T06:56:24.639-04:002011-07-21T06:56:24.639-04:00Anon 8:15 -
Yes, I guess I'm a little funny a...Anon 8:15 -<br /><br />Yes, I guess I'm a little funny about wanting to see budgets, laws and deficit-reduction plans "in writing" so that they can be properly evaluated. <br /><br />I'm not an advocate of the Pelosi-approach of having to pass bills to actually see what's in them.Patrick McHenrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-8382591413626025032011-07-21T06:50:36.777-04:002011-07-21T06:50:36.777-04:00Anon 11:12 -
We can discuss the "$3 Trillion...Anon 11:12 -<br /><br />We can discuss the "$3 Trillion plan" and contrast it to what the House just passed. However, there is no "$3 Trillion Plan" in writing that would enable us to see what makes up the $3 trillion.Patrick McHenrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-46948748077007593832011-07-21T00:59:48.155-04:002011-07-21T00:59:48.155-04:00Dent is an empty suit.He's done. The Lehigh Va...Dent is an empty suit.He's done. The Lehigh Valley is NOT tea party country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-55011351013820717392011-07-20T23:42:39.625-04:002011-07-20T23:42:39.625-04:00I question just about everything some of these peo...I question just about everything some of these people do. Let us be real, some people just don't belong in power. Some people should not even be voting.<br /><br />Judson PhillipsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-25636359165538063392011-07-20T23:12:44.560-04:002011-07-20T23:12:44.560-04:00Patrick,
I prefer the the larger 3 Trillion Dolla...Patrick,<br /><br />I prefer the the larger 3 Trillion Dollar plan, however Republicans would settle for the 800 Billion plan to push the debt past the next election just so they could protect tax breaks for the wealthy. How many jobs did those tax breaks create? I say pull back those tax breaks and redistribute to businesses that actually create jobs.<br /><br />Congress should have agreed on a goal and work together to get to that goal by negotiation.<br /><br />Throwing out a do-nothing plan and voting infavor of ignorance does not resolve the situation. Just another unproductive day on Capital Hill at TAXPAYER expense.<br /><br />I favor deeper cuts than raising the retirement age. Is it age discrimination to raise the retirement age of those under 55 despite having met the minimum life time SS contribution?<br /><br />What kind of Society allows select professions to retire with Defined Pensions after 20 years of service or provides benefits after X terms in office and then ask their kids to work more than 45 years to pay for those benefits?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-78248173704220710982011-07-20T22:06:22.748-04:002011-07-20T22:06:22.748-04:00Bernie,
I guess my point about leadership is that...Bernie,<br /><br />I guess my point about leadership is that sometimes you have to alienate people, even your friends to make sure the right think is done. The last think we want is fear of alienation driving what should happen on critical issues facing the future of our country. On less important issues it would be different. However, on issues of such significance you want your elected leaders to stand up and lead. To do that sometimes you put your re-election in jeopardy, but the right thing needs to happen. Fear of alienation and a desire to move up in leadership in both parties is part of the problem. This can be resolved through something like term limits. It a Washington problem and right now our representative is not part of the solution, so he is part of the problem.<br /><br />Still LookingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-65025491780958897782011-07-20T21:34:36.681-04:002011-07-20T21:34:36.681-04:00"Why doesn't he and the Tuesday Group for...<em>"Why doesn't he and the Tuesday Group forge a plan like the Gang of 6. That is leadership."</em><br /><br />Good point, Dent is ranked somewhere in the middle on leadership. I'm not sure if he could do more without alienating people.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-8011270716453626202011-07-20T21:23:30.202-04:002011-07-20T21:23:30.202-04:00"There's no such thing as an 'academi...<em>"There's no such thing as an 'academic exercise.' It's a real vote in the US House."</em><br /><br />Jonathan, Then you don't know too much about government. The House was giving the Senate and Obama a message. I see this sort of thing all the time. In the Pa Senate, for example, there's legislation to bar divorce under consideration. That has been proposed as an academic exercise to make a point with those who say marriage is sacred and should be between man and woman only.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-18909417793082745082011-07-20T20:30:47.097-04:002011-07-20T20:30:47.097-04:00Resolved, the debt limit shall be increased to x.
...Resolved, the debt limit shall be increased to x.<br /><br />Debt limit crisis resolved.<br /><br />No, do it the Dent way. Hold the US hostage to the right wing zealots of your party who will slash a program to feed a child while declaring a tax on the uber wealthy as evil and preserving Rupert Murdoch's 4 billion dollar TAX REFUND.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-24003332814592418722011-07-20T20:15:37.829-04:002011-07-20T20:15:37.829-04:00What is this"in writing" silliness. So ...What is this"in writing" silliness. So what exactly should be put in writing. Oh wait, I get. please put oin writing we want to raise taxes.<br /><br />Baggers get off on goofy written pledges. Real people are less inclined to take seriously people who prejudge issues before they even confront them.<br /><br />Silly baggers and their silly games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-20139628280402999962011-07-20T18:55:22.980-04:002011-07-20T18:55:22.980-04:00Well Pete, there was no recourse because the GOP r...Well Pete, there was no recourse because the GOP refuses to increase revenue by removing corporate subsidies. They do whatever it takes to protect their budiesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-15035794861036182342011-07-20T16:59:20.890-04:002011-07-20T16:59:20.890-04:00McHenry,
I have been pointing out our national deb...McHenry,<br />I have been pointing out our national debt for years. The shock value of the national debt from year to year was just as shocking to view during the Bush/Republican years, as it is now. As any family or business can tell you there is a limit after which no one will want to lend to you. <br /><br />Yet, the debt ceiling is a rather arbitrary self-imposition. The Republican controlled House already appropriated the spending they now don't want to pay for (talk about politicians flip-flopping...kind of Kerry-isk, "I approved spending the money, before I opposed spending the money"). Add the previous decade under both Republican and Democratic majorities.... all of this renewed concern of the GOP about the debt ceiling is more hypocritical manuevering for political advantage in 2012. I even read a politico piece quoting an aide saying that once Obama praised the Gang of six, it instantly became DOA for many House GOP...can't dare have ANY sign of cooperation on any point with Obama. And there was another piece about how the liberals were likewise mad at Obama. That tells me that the Gang of six might actually be compromising, aka, trying to govern.Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346747286241817118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-56881799309440889412011-07-20T16:52:21.174-04:002011-07-20T16:52:21.174-04:00Pele -
The ones who are stuck on their ideology ...Pele - <br /><br />The ones who are stuck on their ideology are the Democrats.<br /><br />I'm willing to discuss alternatives, but the President and the Senate Democrats won't put anything in writing to discuss. The President has also said he might be willing to withhold social security checks from our seniors. <br /><br />That's pathetic.<br /><br />Until the Democrats are willing to get serious, the plan passed by the House is the only responsible option.Patrick McHenrynoreply@blogger.com