tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post453948501899997647..comments2024-03-29T03:52:53.243-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: Election Rigging Possible, But Unlikely Bernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-85443938952765287792016-08-11T09:28:45.956-04:002016-08-11T09:28:45.956-04:00Bernie, I read this article with interest, and jus...Bernie, I read this article with interest, and just want to add a couple points to the discussion:<br /><br />- One of the inherent problems with electronic voting that provides no voter-verified paper ballot that could be referenced in a recount, is that they are programmed by the manufacturer, and frequently receive software "patch" updates from the manufacturer. No local officials, voting judges, volunteers, etc. would even know this was done, so this reality in no way is intended to impugn their integrity.<br /><br />- With the audit trail produced by many of these machines, you would only have verification of the way the votes were counted by the machine, not how they were cast.<br /><br />- Chain of custody is extremly important. I believe I read on your blog how the voting machines were delivered to the various county precincts early - leaving them vulnerable to tampering -- and I have no idea how chain of custody is recorded and clearly monitored.<br /><br />- Registered voters that were purged from the roles for various reasons (and we have seen cases where these have been very political decisions -- see Fla. Sec of State Katherine Harris and her pre-2000 pres. election purge of overwhelmingly Democratic voters) are often given a provisional ballot, which may or may not even be counted as part of the precinct total. While it might be a non-factor in that particular precinct, the totality of those uncounted votes could be a factor state-wide, county-wide, etc.<br /><br />Again, this is not to suggest that anyone who is involved in the process is intending to manipulate it in any way, or to "fix" or "steal" an election. But because of the nature of these machines, with proprietary software that is maintained by the corporate entity that manufactured the machines. even the most honest, dedicated and well-intentioned election official could be an unwitting pawn in a larger scheme.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-59729853921069073492016-08-06T01:03:10.734-04:002016-08-06T01:03:10.734-04:00Translation: Hillary is worse. I don't like he...Translation: Hillary is worse. I don't like her, but have no intention of voting for a narcissist who has demonstrated the kind of damage he can do in just a few days. Your worry about losing the Senate is laughable since Trump refused to endorse the guys who would vote No to liberal or moderate Supreme Court nominees.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-53942873763608809232016-08-06T00:57:52.388-04:002016-08-06T00:57:52.388-04:00You won't just "tread water" for fou...You won't just "tread water" for four years. She'll get to pick at least two supreme Court justices, and if she gets just one of the houses back there's no telling the damage she can do in four years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-27535071021362263392016-08-05T21:07:21.609-04:002016-08-05T21:07:21.609-04:00Crooked Hillary versus insane Trump. God Save Amer...Crooked Hillary versus insane Trump. God Save America!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-34997951264076625262016-08-05T20:43:23.531-04:002016-08-05T20:43:23.531-04:00people really need to lighten up khan was paid 25,...people really need to lighten up khan was paid 25,000 to ATTACKtrump ,the baby comment was joking ,he is who he is and isn't politictally correct and speaks off the cuff i'ig d much rather him than lying hillary who belongs in jail!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-6861000706207126182016-08-05T18:46:49.305-04:002016-08-05T18:46:49.305-04:00All election are rigged before the vote is ever ta...All election are rigged before the vote is ever taken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-57791572123725992812016-08-05T16:48:29.645-04:002016-08-05T16:48:29.645-04:00"We are told more than what DID happen, or wh..."We are told more than what DID happen, or what was ACTUALLY said. We are now schooled on what we SHOULD make of it all. I guess we can't do that ourselves anymore."<br /><br />Isn't that the entire format for Fox news? Seems that is why clear channel bought up all the AM radio stations. All you hear are loud voices telling you what is "really" going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-43292501576261472402016-08-05T16:01:15.215-04:002016-08-05T16:01:15.215-04:00There's voter fraud, that many people believe ...There's voter fraud, that many people believe limited to a person voting by representing to be a person he/she is not.<br /><br />Then, there's voting "trickery," or whatever else you want to call it. That could be an entire bundle of early voting ballots lost in the mail, moving the location of a polling place, creating very long lines outside in hope of discouraging people, even standing outside a polling place in guerrilla military garb with weapons, and other forms of intimidation. Could be purposely not having enough paper ballots on hand, even someone erasing votes done on paper and overall tally sheets. Who knows, what else.<br /><br />YES, voting irregularities exist. That's undeniable. Probably not enough to change anything but maybe a small local election.<br /><br />More troubling devices of trickery include falsely giving the impression a candidate dropped out at the last moment. Ted Cruz was accused of doing this in Iowa. Also includes promoting FALSE poll results to discourage voters to not waste their time on an obviously losing candidate. Some of that could be going on already.<br /><br />Voting polls are EASY to skew to whatever result you desire. I trust none of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-58359178207667080962016-08-05T15:13:11.581-04:002016-08-05T15:13:11.581-04:00"Over the past decade Texas has convicted 51 ..."Over the past decade Texas has convicted 51 people of voter fraud, according the state's Attorney General Greg Abbott. Only four of those cases were for voter impersonation, the only type of voter fraud that voter ID laws prevent." <br /><br />"Tracy Campbell, a history professor at the University of Kentucky who studies voter fraud in past elections, said contemporary voter ID laws are trying to solve a problem that hasn't existed in over a century.<br /><br />"This would prevent you from going to the polls and claiming that you're Mary Smith so you vote as Mary Smith then you come back later and vote as Mary Joan," Campbell said. "Repeating was a problem a century ago and these laws would have been good for that, but it's a non-event now" ...ABC NEWS REPORT 2012<br /><br />Voter id is a solution looking for a problem as has been shown by many credible sources. More laws need to be made to encouragde voting like making it a national holiday or trying to create a really secure app that recognizes fingerprint only or the like. Having an app would make the youth vote skyrocket.<br />The Huntressnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-77812642234114474242016-08-05T15:09:02.204-04:002016-08-05T15:09:02.204-04:00"Bernie, since the republican national conven...<em>"Bernie, since the republican national convention Donald Trump has gotten worse, not better as a candidate for president. Like you I felt he would be our next president, but now just don't see it happening. Have your feelings on this changed at all? "</em><br /><br />Yes, I believe the way he handled the Khan matter was his McCarthy moment. It was quickly followed by a number of other outrageous incidents, including kicking a baby out of a rally, sexist remarks about his own daughter, his remarks about Ukraine and disrespectful remarks about the Purple Heart. So I think the American people have been awakened to someone who really is unfit. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-88433080381690644732016-08-05T15:01:16.833-04:002016-08-05T15:01:16.833-04:0011:07, Your link is broken but it prove show diffi...11:07, Your link is broken but it prove show difficult it is for one person to engage in voter fraud. For a rigged election, there would have to be thousands and perhaps millions of people like this. <br /><br />http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Candidate-voted-twice-in-same-elections-records-3937458.phpBernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-52801704102978278222016-08-05T14:56:35.125-04:002016-08-05T14:56:35.125-04:0011:13, Good link! It demonstrates just how hard it...11:13, Good link! It demonstrates just how hard it is for an impersonator to engage in voter fraud. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-69881676829556564432016-08-05T14:50:38.097-04:002016-08-05T14:50:38.097-04:00"The only reason to be against voter id is so...<em>"The only reason to be against voter id is so that you can cheat, The Democratic big city bosses can do just about anything they want and get away with it. If you think that massive voter fraud is not going on in the big cities, you are either lying or very naive."</em><br /><br />I do not oppose voter ID, but would like to see it as part of a deal on election reform that includes open primaries and the elimination of straight party voting. Though voter fraud does exist, it is rare. Plus imposing this requirement encourages officious elections officials to claim that this or that form of ID in insufficient. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1146891427417727282016-08-05T14:45:19.855-04:002016-08-05T14:45:19.855-04:00"The Washington Post article Trump interview ...<em>"The Washington Post article Trump interview where he was discussing rigged elections and the lack of voter id laws was published August 2. I wasn't making that up."</em><br /><br />I stand corrected. I read the article too quickly, something I sometimes do. He did speak to the Post, although the story is more than in interview and is actually an opinion piece. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-trump-a-new-rigged-system-the-election-itself/2016/08/02/d9fb33b0-58c4-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.htmlBernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-67303064124020498602016-08-05T12:48:15.775-04:002016-08-05T12:48:15.775-04:00The only reason to be against voter id is so that ...The only reason to be against voter id is so that you can cheat, The Democratic big city bosses can do just about anything they want and get away with it. If you think that massive voter fraud is not going on in the big cities, you are either lying or very naive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-44743709565883066772016-08-05T11:48:23.259-04:002016-08-05T11:48:23.259-04:00Voter fraud is easily organized and is no wild con...Voter fraud is easily organized and is no wild conspiracy. Show the same ID that you have to show to get into the DNC convention and you will be fine. Those arguing against voter ID are arguing for fraudulent elections. This is a simple issue that is obfuscated for political gain. <br /><br />And republicans robbing and cheating the poor. Out of what? The money that is taken from the makers and given to the takers in return for votes? Please I want to believe that no one is this intellectually dishonest. <br /><br />And while we are at it, the constant threat of Social Security running out of money yet welfare never endures the same threat. Those receiving social security for the most part paid into the system. Those on (and abusing) welfare, not so much. <br /><br />This reminds me, I have to make sure I made my Q3 estimated tax payments. God forbid I don't give my fair share. There are votes to be purchased with my money. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-8137620407741619582016-08-05T11:13:15.022-04:002016-08-05T11:13:15.022-04:00and of course stupid people
http://www.freep.com/s...and of course stupid people<br />http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/brian-dickerson/2016/08/03/dickerson-voter-impersonator/87993508/<br /><br />yep another bogus so called conserativeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-5676983706126266672016-08-05T11:07:20.715-04:002016-08-05T11:07:20.715-04:00and
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/articl...and<br />http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Candidate-voted-twice-in-same-elections-records-3937458.ph<br /><br />"A Republican precinct chairman running for a seat on the Fort Bend County Commissioner's Court has cast ballots in both Texas and Pennsylvania in the last three federal elections, official records in both states show"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-49516907588568413312016-08-05T10:49:46.477-04:002016-08-05T10:49:46.477-04:00and then
https://www.texasobserver.org/above-the-l...and then<br />https://www.texasobserver.org/above-the-law-pamela-elliott-sheriff/<br /><br />"During the 2014 midterm elections, Gallegos was on her way to work when she noticed sheriff’s deputies at the polling site at the Baptist church. “When I got to work, the staff were discussing why there were deputies at all the locations,” Gallegos says. “Not just the church, but the school auditorium, the park building and the Church of Christ as well. So I went to each of them, and they were inside every one.”<br /><br />Gallegos says the county clerk eventually called the sheriff’s office to tell her to pull her officers out of the polls. It was about 3 p.m. and voting had been underway for hours. She believes Sheriff Elliott was attempting to intimidate Hispanic voters in Edwards County, which in the last 15 years has grown from 45 percent Hispanic to 55 percent."<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-68440137553352355232016-08-05T10:49:22.138-04:002016-08-05T10:49:22.138-04:00LOL - yet you believe that any Republican administ...LOL - yet you believe that any Republican administration would be virginally pure and uncorrupt? Don't delude yourself. Neither party as currently set up gives a crap about you no matter how much they pander to your core beliefs.<br /><br />Hillary is far from an ideal candidate, but next to Trump all she literally needs to do is keep her mouth shut for the next 3 months in order to win. The Trump/Clinton debates should actually be pretty fascinating to watch.<br /><br />We can all beg and clamor for an outsider to come in and shake things up, but at the end of the day you need to lead this country by solving complex problems on a daily basis by working with different people, countries and view points. Despite his personal successes, I don't think Trump has the capacity or temperament to be an effective leader and would ultimately do more harm than good. I'll tread water with Clinton for 4 years and hope for a better option in 2020.<br /><br />ScottAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-76105866350450857212016-08-05T09:31:00.608-04:002016-08-05T09:31:00.608-04:00anyone can get an id card and vote they use all ty...anyone can get an id card and vote they use all types of tricks not to difficult to see Democrats do rig elections look what they did bernie sanders there isn't any doubt in my mind that the election could be rigged ! what Trust hillary ??? really?OBAMAS entire adminstration are crooked !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-50093060673277659642016-08-05T09:05:45.535-04:002016-08-05T09:05:45.535-04:00It is obvious to me that some of the posters have ...It is obvious to me that some of the posters have never voted, they don't seem to know how our voting system in PA works. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-88255437420379203372016-08-05T08:59:49.600-04:002016-08-05T08:59:49.600-04:00No need to. At the rate Trump is going the electi...No need to. At the rate Trump is going the election won't even be close. He continues to show he is unfit to be President.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-2843389566947744942016-08-05T08:56:52.084-04:002016-08-05T08:56:52.084-04:00And Republicans know how to rob and cheat the poor...And Republicans know how to rob and cheat the poorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-5270196918582764692016-08-05T08:52:57.676-04:002016-08-05T08:52:57.676-04:00Voter ID laws will prevent a crime that may or may...Voter ID laws will prevent a crime that may or may not exist. Just as a law against Bigfoot would prevent something that may or may not exist.<br /><br />Simple for simple minds. How about an anti-Locke Ness monster law? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com