tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post3568136411688852995..comments2024-03-29T05:10:57.942-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: Scott "Pinocchio" OttBernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-30702490398843093142014-02-09T20:25:25.607-05:002014-02-09T20:25:25.607-05:00Then I have no problem with current practice. Then I have no problem with current practice. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-41236629608113258752014-02-09T20:16:18.966-05:002014-02-09T20:16:18.966-05:00State law allows union dues to be deducted from pa...State law allows union dues to be deducted from paychecks. These are funds needed to maintain offices and staff, similar to your country clubs and private clubs, in order to function. The law is specific, in that, no moneys shall be deducted and used for political purposes. Union members give money individually (privately) to support political activities, not through payroll deductions, which by law is illegal right now.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-7052344305191085862014-02-06T20:23:49.053-05:002014-02-06T20:23:49.053-05:00"Hey O'Hare" is not the way to talk ..."Hey O'Hare" is not the way to talk to someone. People like you make the tea party look pretty good. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-11819270094912907152014-02-06T19:51:01.962-05:002014-02-06T19:51:01.962-05:00Hey O'Hare what is the take on this in Northam...Hey O'Hare what is the take on this in Northampton County? We have a new government that if not teabagger is teabagger friendly. What is happening and will this be something they go after?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-69708537046833831362014-02-06T19:15:42.718-05:002014-02-06T19:15:42.718-05:00The duchebag who introduced this Bill in Harrisbur...The duchebag who introduced this Bill in Harrisburg is on PCN now. He is talking up how this is such wonderful compromise while talking down the fact it is all about Republican politics and and protecting their own boys. He even admit they took out the cops and other safety folks too get it passed. How about nursing home workers?<br /><br />This guy is another slick young teabagger. What bushtit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-82946409319763738112014-02-06T18:07:13.141-05:002014-02-06T18:07:13.141-05:00God save Lehigh Co. and Allentown.
Two sets of pat...God save Lehigh Co. and Allentown.<br />Two sets of pathetic options.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-71406626484646217102014-02-06T16:25:24.818-05:002014-02-06T16:25:24.818-05:00As I've already pointed out this post has noth...As I've already pointed out this post has nothing to do with the validity of the idea. This post has everything to do with the honesty of Scott Ott. The personal attack at me is nothing more than a bait and switch. <br /><br />As far as public-sector unions are concerned I have been highly critical of them in the past and remain so. When they formed a lynch mob and attempted to have an employee fired unfairly I spoke out against them. When they demanded doubletime or triple time for covering a Friday night football game I spoke out. I question why they are even necessary. But I would prefer to see union members make these decisions as opposed to some Harrisburg RepublicanBernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-41802342198506164412014-02-06T15:37:21.785-05:002014-02-06T15:37:21.785-05:00When Stoffa and his gang were fighting the unions ...When Stoffa and his gang were fighting the unions trying to screw them, O'Hare was here everyday calling out the union thugs. He wanted to bust up th public unions an destroy everything about them. But of course Stoffa is a huge O'Hare mancrush.<br /><br />Now that Scott Ott and Lisa want to stop the public union menace O'Hare goes after them. he hates Ott so he changes his view.<br /><br />Don't be fooled people. Stoffa didn't;t just want to end dues he wanted to bust the unions and O'Hare did everything he could to help.<br /><br />This is just a personal vendetta by O'Hare against Scott.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-88988728427279626572014-02-06T10:48:23.606-05:002014-02-06T10:48:23.606-05:00Muller's unattractive.
Ott's a nut bag.Muller's unattractive.<br />Ott's a nut bag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-42007754852478224602014-02-06T10:12:46.973-05:002014-02-06T10:12:46.973-05:00"Looks like either Dean "I'm butt hu...<em>"Looks like either Dean "I'm butt hurt because I got rejected by the voters twice" Browning or Tom "I can't wait to raise taxes" Muller continues to spoon feed you information."</em><br /><br />Translation: I want to divert attention from what O'Hare is saying, so I'll trash him, Muller and Browinging by claiming that either Ott or Muller fed this to O'Hare. I'll insult them while I'm at it. And I'll remain anonymous bc i am dishonest just like Ott.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-60086612139720696042014-02-06T10:10:00.357-05:002014-02-06T10:10:00.357-05:00"regardless of whether you've twisted any...<em>"regardless of whether you've twisted anything, it sounds like you believe that government SHOULD collect union dues used for political donations. That sure is cozy"</em><br /><br />I blogged about that topic in January. http://lehighvalleyramblings.blogspot.com/2014/01/should-union-dues-be-automatically.html<br /><br />Don't try the bait and switch. the topic here is Scott Ott and his strange relationship wit the truth. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-12795909878638085572014-02-06T10:06:14.782-05:002014-02-06T10:06:14.782-05:00"Bernie, don't forget that Ott's a ra...<em>"Bernie, don't forget that Ott's a racist"</em><br /><br />You may think it's a minor matter but Ott did anger many at a NAACP debate in Allentown, and I quoted one woman who told me his remarks offended her as an African American.<br /><br />I will giver credence to her, but none to an anonymous political hack like you, whose unhealthy obsession with this topic makes me wonder about you, too. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-30273380047785283142014-02-06T10:00:00.527-05:002014-02-06T10:00:00.527-05:00"You're basing your post on a third party...<em>"You're basing your post on a third party report of the event, not on direct quotes. Then you're twisting it to suit your purpose"</em><br /><br />Yeah, that third party source is the Pennsylvania legislative Service. I'll add that Ott has made similar remarks to anti-union Mediatrackers.<br /><br />Ott tries to pretend that a nonbinding resolution is the equivalent of state law and that LC can do whatever it wants. He is wrong on both counts and must now that, or is dumber than I thought. <br /><br />"<em>Lehigh County has the power to enforce such a measure on its own because it operates under a city charter or Home Rule, which gives it some autonomy from the state.<br /><br />And though Muller could refuse to negotiate the removal of automatic dues deductions, the commissioners have the power to take over contract negotiations on behalf of the county. A few years ago, the commissioners delegated the responsibility of contract negotiating to the executive, but they could take back the reins at any time.<br /><br />“If the executive should decide that he disagrees with the board, the board still has the option of retracting his delegated authority to negotiate these contracts,” Ott said."</em><br /><br />http://mediatrackers.org/pennsylvania/2014/02/05/lehigh-county-commissioners-call-end-automatic-dues-deductionsBernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-21224337303463895132014-02-06T09:57:01.888-05:002014-02-06T09:57:01.888-05:00You'll recall Gary Day was Mayor Bill
"It...You'll recall Gary Day was Mayor Bill<br />"It's a done deal" Heydt's go to guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-85373537325405964062014-02-06T09:13:54.148-05:002014-02-06T09:13:54.148-05:00Anon 7:58
You might include that Ott was twice re...Anon 7:58<br /><br />You might include that Ott was twice rejected by voters in what were very favorable years for R's (just look at how R's did in Northampton County in 2013 and 2009).<br /><br />We can debate the merits and problems with deducting union dues. However keep in mind that deduction process is approved during contract ratification by the very membership that pays those dues. So one argument could be that union members have elected to have the money taken out of their paycheck just like any other self directed deduction (such as to a credit union, to Vanguard, etc). And the counter is that without the automatic deduction unions would not be able to collect the dues and would be financially weakened. So a better debate might be what item do you trade in the negotiation process to get that provision dropped.<br /><br />However, that all misses the primary point of Bernie's post which is that Ott has a very lose relationship with telling the truth. Part-time legislator or not, Ott has claimed he cut spending when the facts are otherwise. And since you mentioned Browning, Ott ran against him in 2011 saying that he and his bloc had a plan to completely get rid of the 16% tax increase, balance the budget and to stop spending down the reserves. How has that worked out? And Ott didn't run in 2011 saying he wouldn't be able to do any of what he was promising since he would be "just a part-time legislator". Instead he made a commitment to voters and he hasn't come close to fulfilling in 2 plus years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-33246223586943151292014-02-06T07:58:54.526-05:002014-02-06T07:58:54.526-05:00Looks like either Dean "I'm butt hurt bec...Looks like either Dean "I'm butt hurt because I got rejected by the voters twice" Browning or Tom "I can't wait to raise taxes" Muller continues to spoon feed you information. <br /><br />While I'm no fan of tea-party people like Ott, I wonder what magic potion Browning or Muller made you drink to post this blog. Union dues are being involuntarily deducted from worker's paychecks and being used for political purposes that in some cases, the workers do not support the political stance of the union officials. Municipal governments are being the free collection agency, and no other organization has that right. <br /><br />Maybe telling people that part of the story might do some good, instead of bashing individual, part-time legislators. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-56315672399203435662014-02-06T07:02:46.390-05:002014-02-06T07:02:46.390-05:00Ott's train of thought derailed - there were n...Ott's train of thought derailed - there were no survivorsFAH KIN AH SUMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-46169447996300643132014-02-06T06:42:38.518-05:002014-02-06T06:42:38.518-05:00completely unfit to govern. A true example of wha...completely unfit to govern. A true example of what is wrong with Washington at every turnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-88690043177289450192014-02-06T06:02:21.728-05:002014-02-06T06:02:21.728-05:00regardless of whether you've twisted anything,...regardless of whether you've twisted anything, it sounds like you believe that government SHOULD collect union dues used for political donations. That sure is cozyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-29903836926826656622014-02-06T05:53:06.703-05:002014-02-06T05:53:06.703-05:00You're basing your post on a third party repor...You're basing your post on a third party report of the event, not on direct quotes. Then you're twisting it to suit your purpose.<br /><br />As readers of this blog know, you can't believe everything you read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1531555798957776972014-02-06T01:00:11.473-05:002014-02-06T01:00:11.473-05:00Well, he sure as he'll isn't honest about ...Well, he sure as he'll isn't honest about facts.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-82787461815284432372014-02-06T00:55:11.003-05:002014-02-06T00:55:11.003-05:00Unlike Musty Muller, Scott is honest about his bel...Unlike Musty Muller, Scott is honest about his beliefs and not trying to pad another pension.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-51647350941263196772014-02-06T00:16:07.398-05:002014-02-06T00:16:07.398-05:00And don't forget his 2009 Executive run when h...And don't forget his 2009 Executive run when he was saying he had the power to cut from the whole 360 million budget and not just the ~100 million that came from local tax dollars. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com