tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post1356164442639629780..comments2024-03-28T10:18:28.366-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: Is Willie Reynolds Pushing Too Hard For LGBT Rights? Bernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-834864273362218522013-04-29T15:08:27.388-04:002013-04-29T15:08:27.388-04:00@12:38 PM
I rest my case. Ignorant haters.@12:38 PM<br />I rest my case. Ignorant haters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-84754484517266964372013-04-28T12:38:25.186-04:002013-04-28T12:38:25.186-04:00No tolerance for those who oppose your views. No o...No tolerance for those who oppose your views. No one else bothered to support your views. People know the gay community has pushed things way too far with their demands, and special treatment. You expect respect but you know nothing about giving it. I sure don't see gay ads on TV or on highway billboards or anywhere. Could it be people have had enough? Could it be you can't get the support you demand? Good parents raise children better then this. Has nothing to do with hate just sick of your demands. I live in the real world and it doesn't have you everywhere I look except with this president. He will not be there forever and maybe then the special treatment will stop. Hey the squeaky wheel does get the oil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-35429888349574049892013-04-28T11:35:36.002-04:002013-04-28T11:35:36.002-04:00Boy, this post sure brought out the bigots and the...Boy, this post sure brought out the bigots and the haters.<br />It's important to remember how many of them still live amoung us.<br />Thanks BOH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-30662519065190495572013-04-28T07:20:38.616-04:002013-04-28T07:20:38.616-04:00I know what I see and no expert can take the place...I know what I see and no expert can take the place of experience. You're arguement is wrong and once again it is about you , the gay so called adult. It really is never about the kids for you live a self centered emotion me first life I want to hook up life. Many of us do but we grow up when we have our own for the most part natural children. You seek to deny children this so how can anyone agree with you except more of the same. I just found a list of female teachers who are up on charges for molesting and raping girls. This and the gay priest is what we have come to expect. Pedophiles may be the next protected class. You really expect society to embraced all of this??? Don't think so. Just leave kids alone and we might all get along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-8350959743042609702013-04-27T23:13:42.408-04:002013-04-27T23:13:42.408-04:00Look up the source-I dare you. Hiding behind the ...Look up the source-I dare you. Hiding behind the idea that same sex marriage is bad for kids doesn't fly-read what the EXPERTS have to say. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-68258184078704919202013-04-27T14:57:28.218-04:002013-04-27T14:57:28.218-04:00I know many gays and haven't met more then a c...I know many gays and haven't met more then a couple who are different then the rest. They have long time devoted partners own businesses and don't need to marry to just pick a fight. They are homosexual and not lesbians. They do not have children and don't want any. They have a respect for the institution of marriage and love both parents as well as both sexes. They don't carry a cross like the lesbians and many of them do not even like lesbians. I have witness children being raised by lesbians and I don't see a thing good about it. We learn by our experiences and I've had enough to form my opinions which were formed and formed by what I see. Young girls are shown and taught that boys are worthless just like their fathers even if he was the better parent. Boys are feminized so as not to make them too boyish. It's tough enoug on kids without more confusion a nd hatred. I do not care about what a gay person does or wants but when it comes to the children I do care. Gay men do love their mothers and do know a kid deserves to have their mother. And they do not think men are worthless. So the need for the father is there too. It is just a bunch of 40 year old teens who want their way regardless of anything else. We all know this. They hate herers. because we put children before them. See the pro abortion group O spoke to. Many many lesbians. Thats how much they put kids first. Why would they even care???? And why do men marry lesbians. They have children and the lesbian takes the kids and leaves and many times hates the father of the kids. Guess they are sickened by having had sex with them. it is just sex and was just sex for them. Maybe real woman can see they are not man enough for them. What do these guys expect??? I live in realville and it sure isn't pretty any longer. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-7384253037552359542013-04-27T11:02:25.232-04:002013-04-27T11:02:25.232-04:00Where do you get your facts? How many same-sex co...Where do you get your facts? How many same-sex couples do you know? You sound like a right-wing hate-monger without a clue. Read up on the ACTUAL source I suggested. You are flat out wrong about children and same-sex couples. I don't expect you to change as it is your twisted perogitive to feel that way but you can't ask someone to stop loving the person they love either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-16013747289636698722013-04-27T08:45:35.824-04:002013-04-27T08:45:35.824-04:00As long as people put children first the gay commu...As long as people put children first the gay community will not ever be seen as people who would do a good job raising the next generation. Sorry. When I saw Obama speak to all of the baby killers what did I see???? Gay woman. Many of them. It is okay to them because children are somewhere behind them and that is where they remain. Natural parents mostly do not do that. Why do we want more people who don't give or can't put children first. This is about the emotional needs of the most emotional among us. The gay community. Kids don't thrive with adults like that. They mimic it. They fight to be first with someone. And again as it was said many times what is next.? Lesbians wanting to marry some oversexed weird guy. Not a question. It is happening in Canada. Married people have a lovable devotion to each other and their children that gays rarely do. That is why they "make love" it is not just having sex which is where 90% of the gay community is. Heters know the difference and if they do marry for sexual attraction it does not last. At least most of them figure it out, because they can. It is just the way it is. That is what we all need to know and accept and many of us do. Reality is not hate. Force is hate which is what all of these fringe emotional groups are doing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-63847567108900644882013-04-26T15:16:23.650-04:002013-04-26T15:16:23.650-04:00But as I need to hear what the gay community think...<i>But as I need to hear what the gay community thinks, they probably need to be a little more understanding and sympathetic to the concerns of the hetero community. I'm not sensing much of that, just a blanket disdain for anyone who does not accept that mindset carte blanche.</i><br /><br />Just like the black folks need to be sympathetic to the white folks in Selma. They needed time to adjust. <br /><br />No, these people don't need your approval for equal rights. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-12348484293284783552013-04-26T15:12:50.321-04:002013-04-26T15:12:50.321-04:00Thats right. It is via people I happen to respect ...<i><br />Thats right. It is via people I happen to respect and admire, and is voluntary. Nothing will be gained by mandatory sessions with people who are unknown. It is then just the thought police.</i><br /><br />That's a very Archie Bunker view of the world. I was required to take a multicultural issues course in grad school. If you go into something with an open mind and have some level of respect for the professional presenting the program, it's nothing to be afraid of. The worst that can happen is you become a better person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-68321119268706638102013-04-26T07:14:40.526-04:002013-04-26T07:14:40.526-04:00<<>>.
Bernie
Understanding is a two ... <<>>.<br /><br />Bernie<br /><br />Understanding is a two way street! There is a big difference between a reason and an excuse. You seem to toss the hot potato back in your perception that LGBT folks don't have the patience in this dialogue. Using words like "distain" only widen the divide. It does require patience to read post that are simply meant to be a fly in the ointment. In this challenge towards full Equality, Gay folks stopped waiting for the crumbs to fall off the table that we can't sit at. When you read some of the post here, it gives the impression that many adversaries to Equality don't want to see the bigger picture . Yet many post have been inspiring. You can't teach something to someone who doesn't want to learn.<br /><br />When people act like adults, more often they get treated that way. There has been this privilege that exited that Homosexuality use to be discussed as if LGBT folks are not even in the room-some subspecies. LGBT folks have been listening all their lives to the excuse and insults meant to berate rather than build a bridge. <br /><br />Now it is your turn to listen.Jerry Kotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10432041953601833043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-9938666690677857752013-04-25T21:28:24.081-04:002013-04-25T21:28:24.081-04:00I do not believe 610 could find a legitimate sourc...I do not believe 610 could find a legitimate source if it hit her or him in the face. One who has to attempt to devalue someone else's love or relationship obviously has an issue with their own. Describing ridiculous and old stereotypes does not strengthen the argument, it makes you seem foolish and antiquated. No one wants a child to be without a parent but our definition if a parent is what differs. Gender roles began with society, they are not set in stone. A patent loves, guides, nurtures, feeds, clothes and loves a child and we all know that men and women can do that. Kids in this world would have less angst if everyone was taught to worry about themselves and that the way others lead their lives is none of their business. Experts on children in the AAP have already made their statement about this but by all means, you know better. Come up with a legitimate, non-religious hard core stats, please. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-84702163130500292412013-04-25T18:37:53.093-04:002013-04-25T18:37:53.093-04:006:10
Do you have cold hard numbers & actaul st...6:10<br />Do you have cold hard numbers & actaul studies from real legit sources to back up your statements?Donaldhttp://viewbeyondbethlehem.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-59244397295620602672013-04-25T18:10:06.671-04:002013-04-25T18:10:06.671-04:00In California the blacks voted against gay marriag...In California the blacks voted against gay marriage. In many states the blacks come out and vote against it. Most black pastors are against it and preach about it so no the blacks are not for it they are split like the rest of us. A single parent household can raise a good kid but to set out to deny a child a relationship witha natural parent or 2 is nothing to brag about. It usually makes for a poorer house in more ways then one. Gay woman either hate or dislike men. They raise their boys in pink just to lead him away from being too boyish. The girls they teach to dislike men. Kids have enough angst to deal with and these type of parents just load it on. No reasonable person can believe say they would not have wanted 2 parents in the house to love and provide for them. Gay men love their mothers and want to be woman in many cases. They are not as bad about raising gay children but they average much higher then heters. Just because u call a skunk a cat does not make it one. We are different. We have a history of men loving woman and woman loving men. Stray from that and it goes downhill fast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-45502133309538635472013-04-25T10:29:58.471-04:002013-04-25T10:29:58.471-04:00"".....although that seems contrived.......<em>"".....although that seems contrived...."<br />WTF!!!!!!<br />Contrived!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"</em><br /><br />Thus pay be an inartful way of putting it but there is no way that same sex couples an naturally have children. It requires other methods. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-73579191506426621362013-04-25T10:27:51.957-04:002013-04-25T10:27:51.957-04:00Will Bloom, Your points are well taken, I confess....Will Bloom, Your points are well taken, I confess. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-65805470054947994372013-04-25T10:20:27.268-04:002013-04-25T10:20:27.268-04:00"I don't know if the Reynolds announcemen...<em>"I don't know if the Reynolds announcement will get him any votes but it sure has gotten your and other's attention"</em><br /><br />Of course it will get him votes. The gay community is very strong, votes and makes contributions. Not a bad special interest to have on your side. Ask Obama. <br /><br />It has made me think. I believe my original post on this topic was premature. But as I need to hear what the gay community thinks, they probably need to be a little more understanding and sympathetic to the concerns of the hetero community. I'm not sensing much of that, just a blanket disdain for anyone who does not accept that mindset carte blanche. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-60459902505943064222013-04-25T10:12:06.733-04:002013-04-25T10:12:06.733-04:00"Who said the term marriage defines a procrea...<em>"Who said the term marriage defines a procreation arrangement? You? It's a bigoted statement. I suppose two people over 50 shouldn't be allowed to call their marriage "marriage" either. "</em><br /><br />I get that heteros past the child bearing age are unable to procreate, but it is the special relationship between man and woman that does. There is nothing bigoted about noting that. It is just being honest. Perhaps you need some diversity training bc you seem too eager to throe out the bigot word.<br /><br />As I have maintained from the onset, words have meanings. <br /><br />I also agree that legally, there should be no distinction of any kind between permanent couples. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-70263219371560843662013-04-25T10:07:33.672-04:002013-04-25T10:07:33.672-04:00"Sounds like you had diversity training throu...<em>"Sounds like you had diversity training through friends that made you rethink your position. That's what diversity training is - no one forces you to do anything. It raises issues perhaps you never thought about. "</em><br /><br />Thats right. It is via people I happen to respect and admire, and is voluntary. Nothing will be gained by mandatory sessions with people who are unknown. It is then just the thought police. Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-37298941072538959302013-04-25T09:42:18.344-04:002013-04-25T09:42:18.344-04:008:05 - you know the "Black Community" so...8:05 - you know the "Black Community" so well.. The NAACP has endorsed Marriage Equality as well as folks like Corey Booker, Michael Nutter, The Black Caucus in Congress, Barack Obama, Colin Powell - but you're right Black people do not support it Donald Fladhttp://viewbeyondbethlehem.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-68745133690673691922013-04-25T09:31:44.644-04:002013-04-25T09:31:44.644-04:00I do not like the idea of "diversity training...<i>I do not like the idea of "diversity training" so people can be taught the correct way to think.</i><br /><br />Sounds like you had diversity training through friends that made you rethink your position. That's what diversity training is - no one forces you to do anything. It raises issues perhaps you never thought about. <br /><br />That's the problem with this country. Everyone digs into their preconceived notions and refuses to see the other side of the argument. <br /><br />The equality argument is OVER. It doesn't matter what old, straight people like me think any longer. I've definitely considered the arguments and come down solely on the side of gays and lesbians on this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-43991878856177084522013-04-25T09:26:54.053-04:002013-04-25T09:26:54.053-04:00Who speaks up for equality for children? They have...<i>Who speaks up for equality for children? They have a right to their natural parents. Gays deny them this. How is that right or fair? Where are the adults here? Gay couples seek to deny children at least one natural parent. If this were truly about children then gay people would accept our differences and would not put their own emotions ahead of the welfare of children. They just don't get it or they don't care. This is where we will always have severe disagreements.</i><br /><br />Oh please. Many of us were raised by a single parent. Don't try and invent nonexistent harms. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1538495990921956272013-04-25T09:23:26.233-04:002013-04-25T09:23:26.233-04:00I'm not calling it something different. It is ...<i>I'm not calling it something different. It is something different. You cannot equate them. It is only the union of man and woman that leads to new life, and that deserves its own name and own recognition, if nothing more.</i><br /><br />Who said the term marriage defines a procreation arrangement? You? It's a bigoted statement. I suppose two people over 50 shouldn't be allowed to call their marriage "marriage" either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-24963199857143397552013-04-25T09:19:24.167-04:002013-04-25T09:19:24.167-04:00Bernie
A few years ago, my partner and I were inv...Bernie<br /><br />A few years ago, my partner and I were invited to a Heterosexual Wedding. Weeks before the wedding we had dinner with the couple. Durning the dinner, we were friends of the bride to be and not the groom, the groom spend his time boasting about how when he married her, he would have FREE health insurance for the rest of his life. He also gloated that he would receive her pension if she dies etc. We just listened to his gloating out of respect for the bride to be. The bride, a life time Lehigh County Employee, had retired at 55 years of age. No babies in the Stars for this childless couple.<br /><br />So all these shell games in trying to rationalize and justify bias are just another diversion. Looking for grey areas will just produce more grey areas. <br />It has been my firsthand experience as an Out Gay Senior who has had a successful relationship with the same man for 42 years ( do we score any points for that) that teaching diversity among Government is a full time job and requires maintenance. As a man who has spend some time on the battle field, we have a long way to go. I still have heterosexual men telling me that they know Homophobia when the see it. They dismiss totally my perspective and experience as irrelevant to the challenge towards full Equality and understanding. You always don't have the last word by entitlement. That somehow, they have the litmus test as to what is real and what is imagined. <br /><br />You do give the impression that the Equality struggle is a source of humor. That the challenges of LGBT folks are a low calorie version discrimination. The discrimination is just a flesh wound. Laugh with us and not at us. It is one big Cosmic Joke anyway.<br /><br />I don't know if the Reynolds announcement will get him any votes but it sure has gotten your and other's attention.Jerry Kotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10432041953601833043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-82473353510599254042013-04-25T08:05:36.564-04:002013-04-25T08:05:36.564-04:00I don't see the black community agreeing that ...I don't see the black community agreeing that this is a civil rights issue. They above all should know. Gays had rights they did not have. The color of their skin will always be black while the gays sleep with anyone and everyone who will connect with them for the moment. The few with long lasting relationships should see how the majority of them hurt their cause more then we can. A good parent is just that. They teach and show their children what a foundation is. It isn't built on chaos, lack of self control and absolutely no compass. Watch Rome or Spartacus. You want to go backwards? My children deserve every bit of parenting and help that I can give them. Gay is about who you have a sexual relationship with. Straight is about who you love and then who becomes the other parent of your child. Even adopted children are welcomed into this. Marriage has always had restrictions and they do not take away human rights or civil rights. You can't marry more then one person. You can't marry your brother, father, mother, sister or your dog. Should we now allow all of this, yes people remarry but on average I bet gays have many more relationships and therefore would have many more marriages. So that is not an argument. Kids still do best with their own parents involved in their lives. That is their roots. BO stick to what you know is true. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com