tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post116961428431954803..comments2024-03-29T10:34:20.366-04:00Comments on Lehigh Valley Ramblings: What Bush Really Said Last NightBernie O'Harehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169752905035916642007-01-25T14:21:00.000-05:002007-01-25T14:21:00.000-05:00The yellow elephants of the Lehigh Valley now have...The yellow elephants of the Lehigh Valley now have an option. Bush proposed a "Civilian Corps", or as I like to think of it "Civilian Corpses." <BR/> I hate to jump on someone when they are down, but as a U.S. army veteran, I get to tell the chickenhawks of the fightin 82nd desktops to shut the f**K up. <BR/> I don't wallow in self pity or self righteousness because my left arm has a screw for an elbow, or that the freakin arthritis I have at 45 from all the injured joints and broken bones sucks. <BR/> I made my choice, and I live with it. I VOLUNTEERED. The troops in Iraq went there on a lie, served up to us by the great prevaricator and his toadies.<BR/> Big freakin' difference between Iraq and Afghanistan, bippies.<BR/> Julian, do yourself a favor and stop talking. You are wrong. I don't often crush debate, but you are wrong!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169700017160288632007-01-24T23:40:00.000-05:002007-01-24T23:40:00.000-05:00Yeah...its the media dragging out bad news that's ...Yeah...its the media dragging out bad news that's turned this war into a fiasco. What the f#@k kinda rationale is that?!?! U b livin' in some sorta Republican Candyland, Stolz.<BR/><BR/>And what the f#@k is this PC war you keep referring to? A personal computer war? Hell that's the only war you've got any balls to engage in!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169699137155321962007-01-24T23:25:00.001-05:002007-01-24T23:25:00.001-05:00As you see Julian is just another Yellow Elephant ...As you see Julian is just another Yellow Elephant with a big mouth.Boy Put up or shut up.Greendogdemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05117939876985715602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169699134012423852007-01-24T23:25:00.000-05:002007-01-24T23:25:00.000-05:00Julian, I appreciate your answers. I'm going to dr...Julian, <BR/><BR/>I appreciate your answers. I'm going to drop this, but my own view is that you're wide open. This refusal to serve, combined with such willingness to accept high American casualties, is a little odd. To make matters worse, you want us to stop being PC, whatever that means. Given your other statements, it seems to mean you're willing to accept a high number of civilian casualties, higher than the 40,000 deaths to Iraq civilians. <BR/><BR/>I do thank you for your honesty.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169697982835572252007-01-24T23:06:00.000-05:002007-01-24T23:06:00.000-05:00Uncle Sam,at the very least I'll grant you that la...Uncle Sam,<BR/><BR/>at the very least I'll grant you that last comment. I wouldn't survive bootcamp hence me not joining the Military. The men who do are better than I and I admit it freelyJulian Stolzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222246404391954629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169697817585920072007-01-24T23:03:00.000-05:002007-01-24T23:03:00.000-05:00Bernie,We can't afford to lose but the problem isn...Bernie,<BR/><BR/>We can't afford to lose but the problem isn't the amount of resources or the amount of soldiers in our military. It's the media dragging out bad news day after day and ignoring the good (like schools being built, elections being held, shias not being gassed and/or deprived of water). Also we need to stop fighting a PC war (as I said the other day) get the media out and let our boys do their thing without being second guessed.Julian Stolzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222246404391954629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169696515015644322007-01-24T22:41:00.000-05:002007-01-24T22:41:00.000-05:00You'd "enlist" in a "draft," where you have no cho...You'd "enlist" in a "draft," where you have no choice 'cause...well...you'd be drafted. But you refuse to enlist as a volunteer, which is what volunteerism is all about.<BR/><BR/>Stolz, you talk outa both sides of your mouth & your ass, which I believe in your case may be one & the same orifice.<BR/><BR/>You say "the United States is not immediately in danger." Apparently Bernies right & you are a baby...or at least a very gifted toddler under the age of five, who doesn't recall the events of September 11, 2001 & the thwarted attempts to wreck havoc here in the U.S. in the years since then.<BR/><BR/>Dude you'd never make it through boot camp, let alone a tour of duty ANYWHERE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169694043332833542007-01-24T22:00:00.000-05:002007-01-24T22:00:00.000-05:00Julian, As I understand your answer, you have prob...Julian, As I understand your answer, you have problems taking orders (don't we all?) but would serve if the US were in danger. That's a reasonable answer, but it begs another question. As Bush has said as recently as last night, the only reason we are there is because we are in danger from a group that hates everything about the American way of life. And if we don't take it to them, they'll invade. The best defense is a good offense and so on. You said it yourself. "This is a mission we can't afford to lose." If this is the way you truly feel, then you do believe we are in imminent danger. By your own reasoning, shouldn't you therefore enlist? And if we aren't in danger, then why the hell did we invade?Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169693125368689882007-01-24T21:45:00.000-05:002007-01-24T21:45:00.000-05:00Bernie and anyone else who brings it up,It just is...Bernie and anyone else who brings it up,<BR/><BR/>It just isn't my calling nor what I desire to do. If there were ever a draft I'd enlist promptly because clearly my country would truly need the service of everyone, otherwise, I tend to buck authority a little too much and ask too many questions (just ask the Lehigh GOP establishment) to be in the military in a time period where the United States is not immediately in danger.<BR/><BR/>I hope that suffices?Julian Stolzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222246404391954629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169688983181793942007-01-24T20:36:00.000-05:002007-01-24T20:36:00.000-05:00LVDem, Yes, your points are very well taken. The U...LVDem, <BR/><BR/>Yes, your points are very well taken. The US cannot and should not be the world police. At the same time, we should not turn a blind eye to the senseless slaughter of children. That business in Rwanda really affected me. <BR/><BR/>As I said in my comment and confessed to FtHillDem, my thinking about Bush's foreign policy is completely undeveloped. Logically, it's stupid for me to try to deduce his foreign policy based on a few minutes of one speech. But I sometimes go off on tangents like that. I do like the remarks about Darfur and Burma, and like even more that the US has been applying pressures to resolve those situations in the UN. <BR/><BR/>I'm going to research this matter a little more. It really intrigues me. There's no doubt in my mind that Cheney is simplyt an imperialist. But Bush seems to be a crusader. That can be just as bad, too. But in some instances, it can be good, at least if it is approached in the right way.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169688438237410982007-01-24T20:27:00.000-05:002007-01-24T20:27:00.000-05:00"Concerning one of your comments, you now claim th..."Concerning one of your comments, you now claim that Bush is motivated by moral considerations in foreign policy. How do you square that with your previous (correct) observation that it is 'about the oil'?"<BR/>******************************<BR/>FtHillDem, <BR/><BR/>I believe it is all about the oil. I know that's why we're there, and I have links in that posts to Bush making precisely that statement. And I probably should not have posted my remarks about my concept of Bush foreign policy. I want to read what he said and do a little research. But my impression last night was that this guy believes moral principles should dictate foreign policy. My thinking is undeveloped, as I pointed out, and is probably flawed, as you make rather clear.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169687952274397302007-01-24T20:19:00.000-05:002007-01-24T20:19:00.000-05:00Julian,It's no secret you desire to serve in polit...Julian,<BR/><BR/>It's no secret you desire to serve in politics. You have very strong feelings about the war, and you're young. And I appreciate your comments. But I think the question is a fair one. Given your strong beliefs, why aren't you serving in the military? Do you intend to enlist when you complete college? Is there some physical reason why you can't serve? I don't believe you'll have much credibility in politics if you can't answer that question. <BR/><BR/>I know you're still quite young. In my eyes, you're still a baby. And the last thing I'd want you to do is run out and enlist just to show us that you're not, as you were called, a chickenhawk. But it's a fair question, especially in view of some of the strident statments you made. 3,000 casualties being evidence of a well-planned war? A humbled Bush is "too conciliatory?" You prefer a prez who alienated the rest of the world with "Bring it on?" <BR/><BR/>As far as the post being anonymopus is concerned, that's my call. I think the comments are almost always better than my posts, and I let people comment anonymously because there are some who have things to say who could not otherwise comment. My blog, my rules. It's pretty wide open here.<BR/><BR/>I'd appreciate an answer to the question, and not the flippant one you gave yesterday.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169687062373261202007-01-24T20:04:00.000-05:002007-01-24T20:04:00.000-05:00Pelosi called it like it is when it comes to Bush....Pelosi called it like it is when it comes to Bush...he is an idiotic chickenhawk of a war criminal.<BR/><BR/>Maybe if you, Julian Stolz, knew the names of our 3000+ military dead, who are no doubt anonymous to you, you'd be less concerned with anonymity & far more concerned with getting us the hell out of that quagmire in Iraq that you so flippantly seem to think is such a noble cause & for which you hide behind the banner of volunteerism to avoid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169686760857884152007-01-24T19:59:00.000-05:002007-01-24T19:59:00.000-05:00Anon 3:38, The "Charge of the Light Brigade" was p...Anon 3:38, The "Charge of the Light Brigade" was penned by Alfred Tennyson, who had an English birth but an Irish soul.Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169685266036888502007-01-24T19:34:00.000-05:002007-01-24T19:34:00.000-05:00Anon,Sorry if the tone was a little...much? But se...Anon,<BR/><BR/>Sorry if the tone was a little...much? But seriously before you call me a coward for not joining an all volunteer service, kindly use your real name and spell mine correctly. We were too poor to afford the second T ;)<BR/><BR/>LV,<BR/><BR/>I have no problem with the President and Congress working together in a bipartisan manner. I, as you know, think it's important for both sides to have a dialogue. I don't like the fact that he was so nice to folks like Dennis Kucinich (and for that matter Ms. Pelosi) who have done nothing but call President Bush a war criminal and an idiot for the last 6 years. I liked the In Your Face Bush that I helped re elect in 04 not the broken shell of a man we see now. As my better half put it "I'd rather have a president with a spine than one I agree with" (she's a dem).Julian Stolzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222246404391954629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169681254273174852007-01-24T18:27:00.000-05:002007-01-24T18:27:00.000-05:00Bernie, your point about Bush seeing a role for th...Bernie, your point about Bush seeing a role for the US in the world as a sort of "world police" is somewhat troubling. Personally, I don't think any country stands on a moral plateau that affords it that title. It's easy to point to genecide and AIDS. There, I say it's an obligation of a human being (and I recognize that Clinton didn't do so well at it in Africa, but when he brought it up in Europe, it was "Wag the Dog"). <BR/><BR/>There is a place in the world for somebody to play world police. I just don't think one country is that somebody. <BR/><BR/>Julian, I am concerned about one comment that you made regarding Bush being too conciliatory toward Dems. If you don't find it appropriate for somebody to work with the MAJORITY party in Congress, that tells me that you are find with unilateral government activity. I will never support a candidate (and will frankly work against a candidate) who sees that as appropriate behavior.LVDemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07359661408192860813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169673759433392782007-01-24T16:22:00.000-05:002007-01-24T16:22:00.000-05:00NO END BUT COWARDICE!Julian StoltzCaptain QueegNO END BUT COWARDICE!<BR/><BR/>Julian Stoltz<BR/>Captain QueegAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169671570459849832007-01-24T15:46:00.000-05:002007-01-24T15:46:00.000-05:00"That is all." Who are you -- Captain Queeg? Are..."That is all." Who are you -- Captain Queeg? Are you going to start using the royal "we" next?<BR/><BR/>Let's be absolutely clear about something, I wasn't backhandedly attacking you for your cowardice -- I am being very upfront and in your face about your cowardice.<BR/><BR/>If you think this is a war that will determine the fate of our society then join up. If you think that this is a war of liberation to set 25 million innocent people free then join up. If you really think that 3000 lost American lives isn't to high a price to pay then take your chances and join up.<BR/><BR/>Otherwise -- either tone down your rhetoric or just shut up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169671106381654252007-01-24T15:38:00.000-05:002007-01-24T15:38:00.000-05:00there was a nobility to kipling (if you don't coun...there was a nobility to kipling (if you don't count his seething hatred of the Irish) that Bush lacks. And Bush ain't no errol flynn, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169670927418090432007-01-24T15:35:00.000-05:002007-01-24T15:35:00.000-05:00Julian's a self-proclaimed chickenhawk. He's hunke...Julian's a self-proclaimed chickenhawk. He's hunkered down in the safety of the blogosphere, where he callously proclaims the deaths of 3000+ young American heroes is simply acceptable. What a puss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169670768159689342007-01-24T15:32:00.000-05:002007-01-24T15:32:00.000-05:00I should ad that I don't give a flying monkey turd...I should ad that I don't give a flying monkey turd about what the rest of the world thinks of us.<BR/><BR/>Three words "bippy".<BR/><BR/>Bring It On!Julian Stolzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222246404391954629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169670643347139252007-01-24T15:30:00.000-05:002007-01-24T15:30:00.000-05:00Anon,Use your real name first and then backhandedl...Anon,<BR/><BR/>Use your real name first and then backhandedly attack me for cowardice<BR/><BR/>That is all.Julian Stolzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222246404391954629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169670064737200772007-01-24T15:21:00.000-05:002007-01-24T15:21:00.000-05:00We need Julian's fighting spirit on the front line...We need Julian's fighting spirit on the front lines kicking ass and taking names, not back here safe and sound bloggin with Bernie.<BR/><BR/>I know that Julian is going to do the right thing and enlist immediately in the Marines so he can get busy liberating a few of those Iraqis himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169662461343841222007-01-24T13:14:00.000-05:002007-01-24T13:14:00.000-05:00Bernie, Bush's lips were moving, you heard his voi...Bernie, Bush's lips were moving, you heard his voice, but Cheney was running the controls in his back!-Chris CaseyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9299655.post-1169661160803784542007-01-24T12:52:00.000-05:002007-01-24T12:52:00.000-05:00I did watch last night's address. As I explained, ...I did watch last night's address. As I explained, I don't watch TV (excepting 39 and 69). But last night I was at a friend's home for the address and saw exactly what you mean. Many of those smiles were downright scary. They looked a lot more like leers. And what the hell was Cheney popping in his mouth?Bernie O'Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756311150988957401noreply@blogger.com